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explore the bazaars your e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds of cryptozoology as

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well as other dimensions it's time to

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take back the night last night now your

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electrifying hosts of exploring the

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Tim you know it's really spooky out here

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I almost feel like singing a couple of

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lines here from old Rolling Stone song

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I'm gonna love you night and day we'll

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love is love and not fade away well love

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is love and not fade away wow we're out

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here in the Bermuda Triangle what in

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God's name are we doing here anyway

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Tim well Tim we're kind of like scooby

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Doo and the gang we're trying to solve a

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mystery

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you know there's been dozens maybe

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hundreds of planes and ships that have

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vanished around here and we need to know

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if there's an maybe an alien base at the

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bottom of the ocean or some sort of

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freaky weather phenomena causing these

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disappearances you really take this

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whole co-hosting job seriously I see

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well there's a dead yet was a dense fog

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coming toward us and I see the meters

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spinning around and around some sort of

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Oh some sort of medium well I'm afraid

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we're going to fade away

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yep well and we both seem to be

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disappearing I can see through my hands

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so we better make it back to the KCR

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studios quick for tonight's show

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come on boo school well of his love and

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not fade away

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well and you know it's good to be back

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on solid ground that Bermuda Triangle

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area really spooked me out you know I I

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wouldn't want to go out there you know

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without the the Coast Guard or or maybe

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Mac Monty is kind of sending a couple of

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war planes out to the guide us along

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it's just the heck of a trip well and

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and you know Tim that there are other

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mysterious areas all across the planet

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that are similar to the Bermuda Triangle

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I know there's the what was it called

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I remember I I would my old buddy there

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Ivan T Sanderson or was it Charles

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Berlitz I can't remember a wrote about

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the Dryad dragons a triangle where oh

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they both did well sure it is sure

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enough I yes of course and there's even

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one in New England yes that's right and

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that's on solid ground no I don't know

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you know it's it's a spooky the

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phenomena but of course the Bermuda

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trying and triangle is the the Big Daddy

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of all danger danger zones on planet

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earth I would say anyway I guess we have

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already recovered for from Thanksgiving

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and we're headed towards the day when a

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Santa comes down the chimney or maybe

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Krampus leaves we celebrate the arrival

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of Krampus in our house of course well

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we what we welcome in as well you know

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but Tim what the hell let's let's get on

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with the the state of affairs at K cor

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and exploited a bizarre who do we have

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tonight as our guests well Tim I'm

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really happy tonight because we have two

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fantastic guests we have

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so what we have Bruce Gernon and this is

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Bruce's first appearance on exploring

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the bazaar so I'm really happy to know

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what he doesn't know what he's in for

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but see now Bruce in on December 4th

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1970 Bruce was flying near the island of

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Bimini when he encountered something

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that that changed his life forever and

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you know this what what happened to him

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there eventually led to his discovery of

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a new theory about why planes and ships

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sometime sometimes disappear on calm

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sunny days in this notorious region of

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the Caribbean now Gernon is a certified

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seaplane flight instructor and a master

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captain with Coast Guard license he's

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appeared in numerous documentaries about

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the Bermuda Triangle in which he

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describes his space time warp

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experiences now Bruce is the author of

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the books the fog a never before

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published theory of the Bermuda Triangle

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phenomena beyond the Bermuda Triangle

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true encounters with electronic fog

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missing aircraft and time warps and

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Bermuda Triangle legacy exploring

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electronic fog space time warps and more

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and he wrote those books along with Rob

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MacGregor who I tried to get on to the

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show with Bruce but rod never responded

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to any of my emails that would be very

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appropriate for tonight okay well now

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also with us tonight for his return

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visit I think this is his third time on

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our show at least at least I would

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whistle if I could but third time now

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yeah yeah you get a whistle the third

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very good no you got it you got to do

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the one with the oh the the fog that

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blows at midnight what is that famous

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movie no gosh the fog wonder no idea all

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I can think of is the fog horn the the

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story by Ray Bradbury okay well my

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favorite my favorite movie or one of

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them is the fog oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

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yeah carpenters carpenters movie there

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you go Oh Mac Modi is with us again

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tonight now Mac is the author of

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numerous science-fiction series

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including wig man chopper ops star Hawk

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and pirate hunters as well as the

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non-fiction books

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UFOs in wartime what they didn't want

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you to know and beyond area 51 and of

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course we'll be talking about his latest

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book Mac Maloney's haunted universe now

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Mac grew up in the Dorchester section of

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Boston that was taught to read and write

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by the nuns of st. and school his father

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was a veteran of World War two and was a

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fan of military books something that

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Matt grew to love as well

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Mac Mac started writing books in 1984

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and has been doing that full-time since

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1987 pinning over 330 books sorry Ben

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and he is the host of a national radio

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show Mac Maloney's military x-files so

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Mac Bruce thank you very much for being

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with us tonight on exploring the bizarre

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well I'm looking forward to this one and

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I I want to know what happens to all

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those planes and ships there and the

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Bermuda Triangle Bruce Lewis in here

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what was your experience like your first

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experience and why did you decide I mean

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were you looking for there's something

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in particular in a movie a triangular or

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where you're just flying through there

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now hey Timmy Tim yeah I was on a

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business trip coming back but thanks for

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the introduction and I really enjoyed

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that was really an attack yeah well

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that's a we try to combine two

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seriousness with the entertaining

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without without you know like ridiculing

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our guests of the subject they don't

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matter we just ridicule ourselves but go

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on tell tell tell us of your experience

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because that's more exciting than

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anything we could come up with well it

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happened back in 1970 so I've been

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researching and ever since because it

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was such a phenomenal experience and I

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have a brand new bonanza Beechcraft a36

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single-engine airplane still being made

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today in identical shape this is a 1970

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version that I had but it was Andros

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you mentioned but but I never actually

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even saw blooming it's a time warp type

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of experience that I had where I

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I got about 30 minutes ahead of time

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somehow when I had this experience I

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realized after I've escaped this unusual

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storm that I had experienced something

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incredible so I put it to memory from

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then on and I still really memorize it

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just about every day so I have like a

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mind picture of what I experienced like

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a video well tell us what you say it was

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a storm well in it it appeared to turn

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into a storm it it started off when I

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reached the eastern edge of the Great

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Bahama Bank where the shoreline that

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it had been raining over Andros that

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whole day and we were able to take off

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at 3 o'clock in the afternoon when it

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finally started to let up and then it

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was just for me light rain now over the

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island of Andros which is the biggest

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island in the Bahamas and they cleared

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up when I reached the ocean and that's

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when I first noticed this unusual cloud

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that was hovering mile or two offshore

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and is about 500 feet above the ocean

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thousand feet thick half mile wide and

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it looked like a lenticular cloud and

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that's kind of like an hourglass shaped

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cloud that you see sometimes like in a

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mountain wave lease side of the mountain

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but it was just hovering right there and

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ticular clouds don't normally stay that

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low they're usually up around 20,000

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feet and it looked harmless and it was

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directly in my flight path on

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instruments flying direct to Bimini and

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that was only had a thousand feet when I

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first saw it and then when it cleared up

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I was able to start climbing up so I

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climbed up over it and started him

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aiming direct for Bimini so then when I

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got over it I was able to contact Miami

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radio great our control center there and

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filed a flight plan by air because I

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understand you have telephones back then

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and after I get through silent night I

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look around the plane and then that

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something strange started happening

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while I was not paying much attention to

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this cloud it had spread out and it was

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still regulated airplane now and I'm

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climbing now I'm over 4,000 feet and

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it's still regularly and keep climbing

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me so I'm going up when I higher and

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higher I get up to 10,000 my dad was

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copilot he was a licensed pilot he said

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maybe we better turn back to Honduras I

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said well I didn't really want to do

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that because then I'd have to penetrate

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deep into the storm probably and I

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figured it was a chemo members

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thunderstorm that was in the birth stage

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and I just happen to get caught up in

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anything and I got caught up in it

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several times it would engulf the

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airplane and I'd go inside and it

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appeared to be like a regular cloud near

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zero visibility but then I'd break free

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and I can only get a couple hundred feet

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above it and I catch up to me again and

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this one in and out of this cloud for

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about four or five times and then

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finally I broke free at 11,500 feet and

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and I was traveling at 110 miles an hour

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while I'm climbing up and this storm was

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spreading out faster then I was climbing

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and didn't which plane was your plane

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rocket back and forth just a little bit

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when I get inside it and and then I

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would beast me out of it just a little

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bit of rock and not too bad and so when

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I broke free of it and then I look on

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the either side of me and now I could

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see this storm had spread out on either

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side of me as far as I could see which

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either side and I notice it was

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perfectly curved and I leveled off and

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started cruising at 200 miles an hour

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and tried to forget about this storm

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because I thought I was clear now and

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then only a few minutes later I look in

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front of me and here's the opposite of

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what I just seen with that perfectly

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curved shape of a semicircle only now it

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had built up to

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over 40,000 feet so I couldn't climb

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over it and I fear both go under and

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then I looked under and there was no

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base to this dorm it had no ceiling

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another words usually there's a gap of

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rain where you can fly underneath

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through the rain usually a couple

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thousand feet is the ceiling and but

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there it was laying right on the ocean

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so I couldn't fly under it so I

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penetrated and I'm still going directed

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M&E and when I got inside it there

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wasn't any rain but there was these

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intense flashes of lightning like I'd

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never seen before but I heard that

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they're not that much they weren't that

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unusual curtain of some meteorologist I

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talk to you still a lightning folks they

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were like flashes and they got really

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intense and it started to get a little

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scary so I turned that and went back

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into the center where it was clear again

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and then I contacted Miami radio because

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they had to tell him I was deviating

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from my flight path and they said fine

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called me when I get around this storm I

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told him it was a storm and it's gonna

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see if I could fly south and get around

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it and started I started heading south

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along the edge of it and as I kept going

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along the curved edge I keep looking

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ahead of me and now I see that that

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curved edge is coming back to where it

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Andros where I come from so apparently

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it seemed obvious I was luck trapped in

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this huge circular doughnut shaped storm

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and I was in the clear center of it so

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now I'm about a hundred miles east of

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Miami and then I see where the two ends

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of this storm are meeting it was like

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apparently it had spread out from Andros

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and it spread out in a circular form it

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became like taking gasoline pouring

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Circle of gasoline and then United on

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one and that's what this thorn did it it

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and it ignited it didn't act like

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abnormal thunderstorm and so that were

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the two ends met they met on the bottom

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first and then there was like a big

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valley in between so that's where I

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would wanted to go through and had

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direct to Miami and then the top met

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they form like two anvil heads and then

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the two of anvil heads met together and

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it formed a huge horizontal tunnel that

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was at least ten miles long and at first

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the tunnel was maybe a mile in diameter

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it was slowly with the faster than I

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realized

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getting smaller and we decided to go

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ahead and name through it and we went to

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full power because I notice it was

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getting smaller and it was right about

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at the 10,000 foot level so we dug down

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and entered into it then when we entered

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into this tunnel the something

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incredible happened that the instant the

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airplane faded into the tunnel these

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strange lines instantly formed and they

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weren't there when I was outside of the

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tunnel no what did you say straight

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straight lines

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yeah they were like well they formed a

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line they were like Tufts of clouds

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hovering just off the walls of the

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tunnel and each cloud was about the size

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of say a bus and they were slowly

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rotating counterclockwise like maybe a

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few are cams and so that was the

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beginning of the seeing something I

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believe that was the like seeing the

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fabric of time when when I I saw this

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creation inside this tom and so there a

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it should have taken me almost three

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minutes to get to the other end of the

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tunnel because I

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studied these tunnels before in athe

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last a few minutes so it was gonna be

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pretty close but the thing is that I was

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only in town for like 20 seconds because

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that's when time started changing while

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I was in the tunnel and and when I

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reached the other end of it

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wingtips scraped the edges of it so it

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was like less than 30 feet in diameter

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now and and then when I made it out the

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tunnel and reached the clear blue sky I

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looked behind and I watched the total

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collapse behind me like a slip that was

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now rotating counterclockwise and well

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now looking looking but looking back at

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this event I mean what where are you or

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were you frightened of the fact that it

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might have swallowed you up like some of

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these other planes and nobody would ever

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see you again well no I never heard of

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the Bermuda Triangle oh you did you were

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not familiar well well let's pretend

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that you were I mean because you've

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certainly read and heard about it since

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then I mean do you think these planes

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and all the and ships that have vanished

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have gone into some other dimension or

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some other time zone yeah some of them

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yeah I'm sure they have because it

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definitely affected time with me and

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what happens is part of my theory is

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that within these tunnels like those

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the some sort of the electromagnetic

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energy is created in the form of a

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dipole a positive charge on one side and

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negative on the other and they swirl

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around inside the tunnel and when the

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total collapses it emits a sphere of

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what I call electronic fog and and

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that's the thing where hundreds of

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planes and ships have n people on land

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to even have experienced this electronic

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fog so that's the main thing

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trying to get the world to understand

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what's what's what's creating this

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phenomena these tunnels that form

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usually around 10,000 feet in between

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thunderstorms for this special type of

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storm that actually through and when the

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tunnel collapses it emits a sphere of

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this electronic fog and similar to other

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fogs this fog can last for many hours

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and you know maybe it could be a hundred

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yards or a couple of hundred yards in

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diameter and it can go up if there's

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updraft sir

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there's no updrafts that can drift down

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to sea or even to land and it can last

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maybe up to a half a day or so alright

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and what makes it different than other

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foxes that it it attaches but that's

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similar to like st. Elmo's fire that

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attaches itself to cracks in vessels

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well here here comes the fog in the in

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the form of music and this music is

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telling us that it's time to go to our

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now back to exploring the bazaars with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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Lee panting s'mores all right welcome

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back to exploring the bazaar I'm Tim

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Swartz tonight we are talking with Bruce

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Gernon and in this little bit will bring

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00:24:36,899 --> 00:24:29,860
Mack Maloney into the conversation but I

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want to ask Bruce here Bruce when when

440
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you exited this this unusual weather

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phenomena I'm sure at the time that you

442
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thought that you know you had just gone

443
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through you know like a thunderstorm all

444
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being a you know a bizarre one what

445
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happened afterwards that showed you that

446
00:25:02,340 --> 00:25:00,190
this wasn't an ordinary storm that that

447
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something weird had just happened to you

448
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and your father

449
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well after I made it through the end of

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the tunnel another incredible thing

451
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happened the blue sky that I was

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00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:15,610
planning on flying through immediately

453
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turned dark gray kind of a yellowish

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eggnog type of gray and then I also felt

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this strange sensation that lasted

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almost 10 seconds of zero gravity but it

457
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wasn't just zero gravity it was also a

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feeling of skidding forward like I was

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hydroplaning and I've never felt that

460
00:25:48,810 --> 00:25:46,500
feeling before or after and I look at my

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00:25:51,779 --> 00:25:48,820
instruments to see where I'm hitting and

462
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it's what's supposed to be straight for

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Miami and my compass is spinning all by

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itself and my three electronic

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navigational instruments are all

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malfunctioning so I couldn't figure out

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my exact position I should be 90 miles

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east of Miami

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and

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realized that everything was going

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haywire

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and now not only that I there was no

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more visibility and yet visibility

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appeared to be good it was like a I

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thought I could kind of make out the

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ocean but didn't look like the ocean

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I couldn't see the horizon or the sky

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and so I got on the radio and I was able

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to contact me any radio and they

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couldn't find me I wasn't on their radar

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and so I you know I told them I was like

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90 miles from Miami and they said there

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weren't any airplanes anywhere even know

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they're Miami hmm or give me anywhere in

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that area and so my dad kind of went

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into a state of panic at that point I

487
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was able to calm down and in my

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passenger or business partner became

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nauseous or something like that he was

490
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talking to me and I couldn't understand

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a word he was saying that he was kind of

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like going that almost out of his mind I

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suppose but and then so the radar

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controller couldn't help me so I I said

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logged we just keep flying see what

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happened and then after three minutes

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another incredible things happens his

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mind's form parallel to the direction of

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flight of the airplane at the time I

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thought the lines were maybe a few miles

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00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:51,190
long but that was an hallucination

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because I was in this cocoon of fog and

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so those lines are actually only a few

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hundred yards long and then the Lions

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cracked open and I could see a sky

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through the cracks and it took about ten

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seconds for the lines to get wider and

508
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wider and the cracks get wider and then

509
00:28:19,690 --> 00:28:15,500
they're all gone and I'm in clear blue

510
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sky and the radar controller was real

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00:28:23,950 --> 00:28:22,220
excited he gets on the mic and he says I

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got a plane to it there were Miami Beach

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and I look at my watch

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I've only been flying for 33 minutes

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I got another 30 minutes before I

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reached Miami besides I never saw Bimini

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we were supposed to fly right over

518
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Bimini the chain of islands and Bimini

519
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he says are you sure and then I my eyes

520
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:43,260
focused finding in there it was Miami

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Beach right below me so I thanked him

522
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and signed off with him and then I had

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to go way out west to fly around another

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huge thunderstorm which is kind of

525
00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:53,610
unusual because there was like a bridge

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that I had to fly underneath down the

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500 feet over the Everglades way out

528
00:29:02,960 --> 00:28:59,780
west to get to Palm Beach International

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00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:02,970
and so the whole flight was like 250

530
00:29:11,740 --> 00:29:07,440
miles long and it always took me at

531
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:11,750
least 75 minutes to make that flight and

532
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:14,940
when I landed it it looked at my watch

533
00:29:20,210 --> 00:29:17,490
and it had only taken 45 minutes so

534
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:20,220
there was somehow I got there 30 minutes

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00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:23,700
ahead of time and then I also saved 10

536
00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:26,460
gallons of fuel now if we could just get

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00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:29,070
the the captain of American Airlines

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00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:30,840
flight that I take to do the same thing

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00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:37,350
I'll be okay I'm not sure I'm not sure

540
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:40,500
about that Tim I think that Bruce Bruce

541
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:42,450
was lucky that they came out of it

542
00:29:49,910 --> 00:29:46,650
because I mean if if other planes or

543
00:29:51,980 --> 00:29:49,920
ships or just you know I mean there

544
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,990
there may be cases where people went

545
00:29:56,510 --> 00:29:53,520
through this but never came out the

546
00:29:59,540 --> 00:29:56,520
other side well you know even on not

547
00:30:03,140 --> 00:29:59,550
only in the air around you whatever

548
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:03,150
possibly on land as as well I mean we've

549
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:05,880
got hundreds of cases where people just

550
00:30:14,420 --> 00:30:10,980
seem to walk into oblivion in fact in

551
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:14,430
our UFO hostilities a book remember we

552
00:30:19,940 --> 00:30:17,010
wrote about an incident that took place

553
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:19,950
in World War one where a whole battalion

554
00:30:25,330 --> 00:30:23,790
walked into a cloudbank supposedly and

555
00:30:30,980 --> 00:30:25,340
was never seen again

556
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,990
no so you know it's it seems like

557
00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:33,200
throughout history that there have been

558
00:30:39,769 --> 00:30:38,820
other cases that are amazingly similar

559
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:39,779
to

560
00:30:43,999 --> 00:30:42,210
what what bruce describes which which

561
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:44,009
makes me curious bruce have you talked

562
00:30:49,459 --> 00:30:47,700
to anybody who you know after you know

563
00:30:51,019 --> 00:30:49,469
you went public with your experience

564
00:30:52,729 --> 00:30:51,029
that has anybody come to you and said

565
00:30:54,109 --> 00:30:52,739
you know i went through the same thing

566
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:54,119
but i wasn't going to tell anybody about

567
00:31:02,779 --> 00:30:57,690
it because it's too weird I've talked to

568
00:31:05,419 --> 00:31:02,789
the dozens of boaters and pilots that

569
00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:05,429
have experienced the electronic fog but

570
00:31:12,469 --> 00:31:08,820
I only communicated with one other

571
00:31:16,849 --> 00:31:12,479
family that their grandfather flew

572
00:31:20,379 --> 00:31:16,859
through a tunnel similar to mine and it

573
00:31:26,269 --> 00:31:20,389
was near the Carolinas and and he had a

574
00:31:28,190 --> 00:31:26,279
space warp of a few hundred miles after

575
00:31:33,349 --> 00:31:28,200
he came out of the tunnel similar bit to

576
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:33,359
me and not only that he he went backward

577
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:36,799
in time instead of forward he went back

578
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:41,570
like a whole day oh wow he was fine a

579
00:31:50,329 --> 00:31:47,450
gypsy moth twin it's a double winger

580
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:50,339
back in World War two was a flight

581
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:55,320
trainer thing and it he you should

582
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:57,210
always tell all this family about it and

583
00:32:01,999 --> 00:31:59,820
the grandkids were thought he would

584
00:32:04,940 --> 00:32:02,009
might have been crazy till they read my

585
00:32:06,409 --> 00:32:04,950
book and then they realized that their

586
00:32:09,409 --> 00:32:06,419
grandfather actually probably

587
00:32:12,229 --> 00:32:09,419
experienced the same thing as me and so

588
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:12,239
we wanted to write their story in my new

589
00:32:19,369 --> 00:32:14,820
book and because it was a great story

590
00:32:21,169 --> 00:32:19,379
and they wouldn't let us do it I'm

591
00:32:22,339 --> 00:32:21,179
saying well why not and I say this is

592
00:32:27,169 --> 00:32:22,349
because we're gonna write a book about

593
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:27,179
it and of course they probably never

594
00:32:33,109 --> 00:32:29,159
will probably because it's very

595
00:32:34,539 --> 00:32:33,119
difficult to get it look man that's too

596
00:32:38,869 --> 00:32:34,549
bad

597
00:32:42,919 --> 00:32:38,879
well now okay do you is this phenomena

598
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:42,929
the electronic fog is it can it happen

599
00:32:49,339 --> 00:32:46,559
anywhere or are there places like say

600
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:49,349
like the Bermuda Triangle where it can

601
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:00,590
areas not too far from the equator and

602
00:33:06,460 --> 00:33:03,090
it can happen even in the edge of the

603
00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:06,470
Everglades I experienced it there in

604
00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:10,440
1996 I experienced a weaker form of

605
00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:16,140
electronic fog withers it is scary to

606
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:17,910
experience and my wife was with me she

607
00:33:24,730 --> 00:33:22,200
was really it's freaking out well an

608
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:24,740
interesting part about that was that

609
00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:27,930
when I got caught in this fog the

610
00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:30,150
electronic fog over the Everglades I was

611
00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:33,720
able to contact the weather bureau a

612
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:36,990
fight service station that called to get

613
00:33:43,030 --> 00:33:40,980
a detailed weather report I told them

614
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:43,040
because I was a little nervous that I

615
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:47,460
didn't have a lot of fuel and I didn't

616
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:48,990
want I didn't know if I'd be able to

617
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:53,010
land through this fog and then he teach

618
00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:54,480
over there there was no fog reported

619
00:33:58,610 --> 00:33:55,920
anywhere in Florida

620
00:34:01,520 --> 00:33:58,620
wow you got like that could certainly

621
00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:01,530
that could be certainly be a dangerous

622
00:34:09,110 --> 00:34:06,840
now you know I wanted to bring back into

623
00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:09,120
the the conversation here now Mac I

624
00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:11,550
heard a couple of cases and I don't know

625
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:14,270
if you're familiar with with them where

626
00:34:19,670 --> 00:34:17,610
people you know they'll fly up flying in

627
00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:19,680
small planes and all would be a going

628
00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:23,220
over a of a like an old military base or

629
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:25,800
military base and they would see an

630
00:34:33,350 --> 00:34:29,090
event that took place on the ground

631
00:34:36,860 --> 00:34:33,360
years and years before the does that

632
00:34:39,380 --> 00:34:36,870
ring a bell with you yeah we have a

633
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:39,390
story in the book content universe about

634
00:34:44,060 --> 00:34:42,210
just such a thing there was a right well

635
00:34:49,340 --> 00:34:44,070
let's say eight years before world war

636
00:34:52,490 --> 00:34:49,350
ii broke out this senior pilot in the

637
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:52,500
RAF was flying a just a training flight

638
00:34:59,090 --> 00:34:55,410
or a shuttle flight heading back to a

639
00:35:00,740 --> 00:34:59,100
base I think outside London and he flew

640
00:35:01,210 --> 00:35:00,750
over into his bad weather and he flew

641
00:35:03,860 --> 00:35:01,220
over

642
00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:03,870
he got lowered to the ground just to try

643
00:35:07,549 --> 00:35:06,060
to pick up some landmarks to make sure

644
00:35:10,729 --> 00:35:07,559
he was going in the right direction

645
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:10,739
he saw this base below him and he

646
00:35:14,209 --> 00:35:12,420
actually wrote down the number of

647
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:14,219
details about it you know what kind of

648
00:35:18,049 --> 00:35:16,170
planes were there they didn't look

649
00:35:20,029 --> 00:35:18,059
really right to him and that all the

650
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,039
people on the ground that he could see

651
00:35:23,289 --> 00:35:21,599
the yeah and the mechanics and someone

652
00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:23,299
there right there wearing bright yellow

653
00:35:29,689 --> 00:35:27,150
which was also very odd and so then he

654
00:35:31,459 --> 00:35:29,699
you know was able to get home and then

655
00:35:33,469 --> 00:35:31,469
yeah eight years later turns out that

656
00:35:35,809 --> 00:35:33,479
this base which had been deactivated

657
00:35:38,209 --> 00:35:35,819
after World War one I believe it had

658
00:35:40,999 --> 00:35:38,219
been reactivated when World War two came

659
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:41,009
along and the planes were newer planes

660
00:35:45,949 --> 00:35:42,930
then you know he had ever seen at that

661
00:35:47,779 --> 00:35:45,959
time and and the people walking around

662
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:47,789
in the yellow overalls those were rubbed

663
00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:51,089
the RAF had issued them to trainees to

664
00:35:55,549 --> 00:35:53,160
mechanics who were training they would

665
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:55,559
wear yellow so people would could kind

666
00:35:59,479 --> 00:35:57,420
of differentiate them from you know the

667
00:36:02,749 --> 00:35:59,489
real mechanics so this guy you know I

668
00:36:05,269 --> 00:36:02,759
mean he was just a solid you know guy

669
00:36:07,309 --> 00:36:05,279
and no-nonsense type guy but he could

670
00:36:09,699 --> 00:36:07,319
only conclude that you know he somehow

671
00:36:14,029 --> 00:36:09,709
was able to have a peek into the future

672
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:14,039
well you know I've heard of a few cases

673
00:36:19,429 --> 00:36:17,400
over the years that were kind of similar

674
00:36:22,729 --> 00:36:19,439
to that and of course I think Tim now

675
00:36:25,209 --> 00:36:22,739
you've written about incidents and the

676
00:36:27,949 --> 00:36:25,219
episodes where people were driving along

677
00:36:31,099 --> 00:36:27,959
and they actually got to seem to have

678
00:36:34,099 --> 00:36:31,109
gotten sucked into some vortex or some

679
00:36:39,579 --> 00:36:34,109
tunnel oh yeah yeah well I mean the the

680
00:36:42,979 --> 00:36:39,589
whole time slip phenomena a lot of times

681
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:42,989
begins when a person is you know walking

682
00:36:49,759 --> 00:36:46,529
along or driving along and suddenly

683
00:36:52,999 --> 00:36:49,769
they'll find themselves you know like in

684
00:36:54,259 --> 00:36:53,009
in a fog bank that and then you know

685
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:54,269
they'll they'll have their experience

686
00:37:00,650 --> 00:36:56,609
and then when the experience is over the

687
00:37:02,449 --> 00:37:00,660
fog dissipates and they're you know back

688
00:37:05,469 --> 00:37:02,459
to where they started

689
00:37:07,729 --> 00:37:05,479
there are numerous stories where

690
00:37:11,509 --> 00:37:07,739
especially at night where people will be

691
00:37:13,969 --> 00:37:11,519
driving along and it'll get foggy and

692
00:37:15,439 --> 00:37:13,979
it'll be so bad that they feel like you

693
00:37:17,179 --> 00:37:15,449
know that they have to stop for the

694
00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:17,189
night you know they'll stop someplace

695
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:20,099
they'll find say like like an inn or a

696
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,180
hotel

697
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,040
you know they'll stay there have a great

698
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:26,400
time and the next morning they'll leave

699
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:27,960
and then you know maybe on their way

700
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:31,020
back look for this place and it's not

701
00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:34,770
there I don't think the Eagles are this

702
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:41,640
thing that they're welcome but the odd

703
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:44,970
thing is is that a lot of times you know

704
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:46,290
because you would think oh well you know

705
00:37:49,970 --> 00:37:48,660
if this was say like a time slip or you

706
00:37:52,099 --> 00:37:49,980
know like kind of like what we're

707
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:52,109
talking about that you know they'd go

708
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:53,849
back and people will say oh yeah well

709
00:37:57,140 --> 00:37:55,650
you know there used to be a hotel you

710
00:38:00,260 --> 00:37:57,150
know in this location but it burnt down

711
00:38:02,660 --> 00:38:00,270
you know years ago but a lot of times

712
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:02,670
there'll be nothing you know people were

713
00:38:06,829 --> 00:38:05,010
like no there's never been anything like

714
00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:06,839
that around here which is just really to

715
00:38:14,180 --> 00:38:10,020
me just adds to the mystery well you

716
00:38:16,220 --> 00:38:14,190
know it's a Mac now what in this new

717
00:38:19,099 --> 00:38:16,230
this new book that you have just come

718
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:19,109
out with a what a couple of weeks ago or

719
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:19,770
a month ago

720
00:38:28,849 --> 00:38:26,250
what what is the main thrust of the this

721
00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:28,859
particular one title well you know as

722
00:38:32,420 --> 00:38:30,180
you know I had written that to

723
00:38:36,190 --> 00:38:32,430
ufo-related books before you opposed in

724
00:38:39,020 --> 00:38:36,200
a long time and also beyond area 51 and

725
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,030
so I had a lot of research that I had

726
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,760
gathered you know in the course of

727
00:38:44,809 --> 00:38:43,440
researching those books that you just

728
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:44,819
never got to use it you know it just

729
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:46,530
didn't fit here or there or whatever and

730
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:48,690
I've been collecting weird stories you

731
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,450
know almost all my life anyway and then

732
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:53,760
so I combined that with my works for a

733
00:38:58,730 --> 00:38:55,740
couple years for Turner Broadcasting on

734
00:39:00,319 --> 00:38:58,740
there or a conspiratorial website and we

735
00:39:02,809 --> 00:39:00,329
would come up with 10 strange stories

736
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:02,819
every month and basically get pictures

737
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:05,520
of them and caption them and so I had a

738
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:07,770
lot of material left over from that and

739
00:39:13,579 --> 00:39:10,619
also not that we're in competition but

740
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:13,589
you know I do my own radio show Mac

741
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:16,380
Molly's military exile show and we have

742
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:19,410
usually two UFO cases or strange cases

743
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:24,089
on there every week and that also piles

744
00:39:28,549 --> 00:39:26,220
up research wise so I just combined it

745
00:39:30,380 --> 00:39:28,559
all together there's about 250 very

746
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:30,390
strange stories in there and it's yell

747
00:39:34,810 --> 00:39:33,089
ghost planes ghost ships haunted

748
00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:34,820
battlefields

749
00:39:44,290 --> 00:39:39,790
a monster for every state of the union

750
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,300
and just one way I've got what what

751
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:46,880
would we have here in New York yes

752
00:39:52,750 --> 00:39:49,310
little noise I'll have to look it up but

753
00:39:54,850 --> 00:39:52,760
I know you have one well you know of

754
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:54,860
course the New Jersey we got to Jersey

755
00:40:01,210 --> 00:39:58,450
Devil that's the the most popular one

756
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:01,220
there's a lot of Bigfoot sightings and

757
00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:04,910
in New York here over the over the years

758
00:40:09,820 --> 00:40:07,790
that's for sure what would you say were

759
00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:09,830
your top two or three

760
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:12,430
you know cases that you put a lot of

761
00:40:18,940 --> 00:40:15,710
mustard in and turn a mustard gas but

762
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:18,950
mustard it's the whole thing I mean well

763
00:40:24,460 --> 00:40:21,680
the one thing about the book is that for

764
00:40:27,490 --> 00:40:24,470
the most part the story is a very brief

765
00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:27,500
I grew up reading those ripples believe

766
00:40:33,250 --> 00:40:31,220
it or not oh yeah you know and I just

767
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:33,260
loved that kind of stuff so that was the

768
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:36,110
format we put this in and with the idea

769
00:40:39,580 --> 00:40:37,910
being that you know there's so many

770
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:39,590
stories and they're in their own and

771
00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:41,930
then they're also bit strange most of

772
00:40:46,060 --> 00:40:44,030
them are very very strange that by the

773
00:40:47,710 --> 00:40:46,070
time you read the book you know if you

774
00:40:49,390 --> 00:40:47,720
read it cover-to-cover at the end you

775
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:49,400
have to save you know we really live in

776
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:52,880
a very weird existence a very strange

777
00:40:57,370 --> 00:40:56,240
reality you know one of the strange

778
00:40:59,860 --> 00:40:57,380
things happen all the time they don't

779
00:41:01,720 --> 00:40:59,870
have to be paranormal necessarily though

780
00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:01,730
a lot of them are but just odd things

781
00:41:05,470 --> 00:41:03,470
like for instance in world war one

782
00:41:07,660 --> 00:41:05,480
talked about mustard gas and we'll go

783
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:07,670
one there was an enormous battle in

784
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:12,050
summer of 1917 in there a Belgian

785
00:41:15,850 --> 00:41:13,910
village whose name I'm not even gonna

786
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:15,860
try to pronounce but you can imagine it

787
00:41:21,580 --> 00:41:18,770
was right on the front lines the the no

788
00:41:23,890 --> 00:41:21,590
man zone and the trenches facing each

789
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:23,900
other and this son battle was so intense

790
00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:26,510
they actually took aerial photographs

791
00:41:30,810 --> 00:41:27,950
over afterwards and they found out that

792
00:41:33,820 --> 00:41:30,820
there was more than a million Tillery

793
00:41:37,290 --> 00:41:33,830
craters within a square mile and that's

794
00:41:39,940 --> 00:41:37,300
an enormous enormous number of of

795
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:39,950
artillery being shot back and forth

796
00:41:44,530 --> 00:41:42,560
anyway with all this stuff going on and

797
00:41:47,050 --> 00:41:44,540
this battle going on every day and it

798
00:41:47,980 --> 00:41:47,060
was also the rainiest summit that they

799
00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:47,990
had had in

800
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:49,670
Europe in a long long time it turned all

801
00:41:54,910 --> 00:41:52,010
this trend of birth to mud and in some

802
00:41:56,350 --> 00:41:54,920
cases the mud was 15 20 feet thick and

803
00:41:58,570 --> 00:41:56,360
so what would happened is soldiers on

804
00:42:00,100 --> 00:41:58,580
both side they just take a misstep or

805
00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:00,110
whatever and they disappear into the mud

806
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:01,760
and they'd be gone forever literally

807
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:04,640
gone forever at the end of the battle

808
00:42:08,350 --> 00:42:06,110
more than a million half a million

809
00:42:10,330 --> 00:42:08,360
people have been killed and a hundred

810
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:10,340
thousand of them had just were never

811
00:42:14,590 --> 00:42:12,170
identified they had many of them had

812
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:14,600
just disappeared into this into this mud

813
00:42:19,150 --> 00:42:16,850
we call it the Haunted mud so that's

814
00:42:22,330 --> 00:42:19,160
just a frightening type thing to happen

815
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:22,340
but also like very weird and the stories

816
00:42:27,730 --> 00:42:23,930
that the book is filled with kind of

817
00:42:30,340 --> 00:42:27,740
stories unusual stories like that yeah

818
00:42:33,310 --> 00:42:30,350
the thing that that I enjoyed about this

819
00:42:34,420 --> 00:42:33,320
book Mac is that it reminded me of well

820
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:34,430
you know like you said you know when I

821
00:42:39,310 --> 00:42:37,090
was a kid I used to be able to buy these

822
00:42:41,020 --> 00:42:39,320
paperbacks at the drugstore you know

823
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:41,030
Brad Steiger wrote a lot of them you

824
00:42:45,250 --> 00:42:42,560
know they had titles like you know the

825
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:45,260
weirdest ghost stories or you know weird

826
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:47,930
psychic women things like that and the

827
00:42:50,890 --> 00:42:49,730
same kind of format there that you had

828
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:50,900
you know like maybe just a couple of

829
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:53,690
pages you know or a page per story right

830
00:42:58,210 --> 00:42:55,970
and boy I just say I'd take those up so

831
00:42:59,820 --> 00:42:58,220
it's nice to see you know that that

832
00:43:02,890 --> 00:42:59,830
you're continuing this kind of format

833
00:43:05,890 --> 00:43:02,900
yeah I just like it because as I said I

834
00:43:08,740 --> 00:43:05,900
liked it as a kid even though I'm a

835
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:08,750
writer I have I don't like to read long

836
00:43:13,930 --> 00:43:11,450
long long passages of text maybe because

837
00:43:17,020 --> 00:43:13,940
in my bad dreams I'm typing it or

838
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,030
something I don't know yeah you know but

839
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:19,040
you know just just to kind of get the

840
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:20,960
gist of you know what the particular

841
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:23,330
incident what went on and and you know

842
00:43:26,410 --> 00:43:24,770
is you know I think two or three

843
00:43:28,660 --> 00:43:26,420
paragraphs you know kind of says it all

844
00:43:31,060 --> 00:43:28,670
and it's a jumping-off point in a way

845
00:43:32,620 --> 00:43:31,070
for people you know they want to explore

846
00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:32,630
more you know just you know then do a

847
00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:33,950
little more research and you'll see you

848
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:35,990
destroy behind the story but we also

849
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:38,450
have strange things in there like you

850
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:40,850
know 10 were spies ever in the 10 worst

851
00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:44,050
military ideas ever at one point in 1958

852
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:46,550
the Pentagon wanted to detonate a

853
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:49,250
nuclear bomb on the moon to show the

854
00:43:52,750 --> 00:43:50,560
Russians that you know we weren't

855
00:43:55,060 --> 00:43:52,760
lagging behind in the space race after

856
00:43:56,770 --> 00:43:55,070
the Sputnik went up in fact Kyle Sagan a

857
00:43:59,380 --> 00:43:56,780
young house egg was one of the people

858
00:44:00,460 --> 00:43:59,390
who promoted this idea and finally

859
00:44:03,070 --> 00:44:00,470
someone in the Pentagon

860
00:44:04,690 --> 00:44:03,080
you know had you know cooler heads

861
00:44:05,950 --> 00:44:04,700
prevailed I guess less saying it has

862
00:44:08,290 --> 00:44:05,960
prevailed they said won't we just take

863
00:44:09,940 --> 00:44:08,300
the money and and put a man on the moon

864
00:44:12,310 --> 00:44:09,950
and that was like one of the things that

865
00:44:14,170 --> 00:44:12,320
started pushing the de Luna flights but

866
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:14,180
at one point they were gonna detonate a

867
00:44:18,670 --> 00:44:16,609
nuclear bomb on the moon at night during

868
00:44:21,540 --> 00:44:18,680
a full moon so people in the United

869
00:44:23,859 --> 00:44:21,550
States could actually see the explosion

870
00:44:29,230 --> 00:44:23,869
wow that's a bad idea

871
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:29,240
yeah it's a very bad idea they need to

872
00:44:36,430 --> 00:44:33,650
do that on the 4th of July yeah well I

873
00:44:38,490 --> 00:44:36,440
mean that's no worse than what they did

874
00:44:42,070 --> 00:44:38,500
they you know exploded nuclear weapons

875
00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:42,080
like over not over Hawaii but over the

876
00:44:48,609 --> 00:44:44,230
Pacific up in the atmosphere

877
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,619
yeah yeah they would have you know

878
00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:51,680
because you never really get rid of that

879
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:53,240
stuff we know that by now I'm talking

880
00:44:57,849 --> 00:44:55,040
about the radioactivity you know but you

881
00:45:00,960 --> 00:44:57,859
know it does you know we can and so on

882
00:45:03,790 --> 00:45:00,970
and so forth and and it it it doesn't

883
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:03,800
contaminate the earth really but if they

884
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:05,810
had you know detonated a nuclear bomb on

885
00:45:09,070 --> 00:45:07,730
the moon there is no atmosphere anything

886
00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:09,080
that happens up there stays forever

887
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,630
though the astronauts moon boots the

888
00:45:14,740 --> 00:45:12,800
footprints are going to stay there for

889
00:45:16,060 --> 00:45:14,750
hundreds of thousands of years and the

890
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:16,070
whole place would have been cantar over

891
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:17,089
large part of them would have been

892
00:45:21,370 --> 00:45:18,650
contaminated with radioactivity that

893
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,380
wasn't going to go away so that was I

894
00:45:28,930 --> 00:45:23,920
mean it's it's it's arrogance beyond

895
00:45:30,579 --> 00:45:28,940
mindless thinking in my opinion no what

896
00:45:33,130 --> 00:45:30,589
do they don't want us to lay in there I

897
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:33,140
mean you know that well I don't know if

898
00:45:37,660 --> 00:45:35,330
well you know we talked about going back

899
00:45:40,540 --> 00:45:37,670
but so far we haven't gone very far back

900
00:45:42,579 --> 00:45:40,550
I don't know it just seems a crazy to me

901
00:45:44,980 --> 00:45:42,589
that we could have done it way back when

902
00:45:47,550 --> 00:45:44,990
and not be able to do it now

903
00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:47,560
okay so you've collected all of these

904
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:50,270
reports military reports and stuff like

905
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:52,609
that well what's your general conclusion

906
00:46:03,609 --> 00:45:57,170
as far as the UFOs go are they hostile

907
00:46:04,990 --> 00:46:03,619
towards us the first one time we have

908
00:46:07,780 --> 00:46:05,000
once again we have like a couple hundred

909
00:46:09,570 --> 00:46:07,790
stories in there documenting when UFOs

910
00:46:12,190 --> 00:46:09,580
showed up during one time not just

911
00:46:13,319 --> 00:46:12,200
recently but over you know the ages you

912
00:46:14,999 --> 00:46:13,329
know and

913
00:46:17,699 --> 00:46:15,009
out of all those stories I think we have

914
00:46:19,799 --> 00:46:17,709
three in which the UFO had any kind of

915
00:46:22,259 --> 00:46:19,809
showed any kind of hostile intent

916
00:46:25,739 --> 00:46:22,269
the vast majority of them they would

917
00:46:27,449 --> 00:46:25,749
just ride alongside the list for

918
00:46:29,099 --> 00:46:27,459
instance British bombers during World

919
00:46:31,380 --> 00:46:29,109
War 2 bombing German cities in the

920
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:31,390
Millburn night you know with with the

921
00:46:34,829 --> 00:46:33,249
anti-aircraft fire coming up bombs

922
00:46:36,959 --> 00:46:34,839
dropping planes being shot out of the

923
00:46:39,329 --> 00:46:36,969
sky and these these crews would look out

924
00:46:41,969 --> 00:46:39,339
and there'd be a flying saucer or a guy

925
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:41,979
shaped object flying off their wing now

926
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:43,599
they wouldn't do anything they didn't

927
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,249
exchange shots or anything like that

928
00:46:48,930 --> 00:46:47,200
they were just kind of observing just

929
00:46:51,620 --> 00:46:48,940
watching and that does the whole idea

930
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:51,630
behind UFOs one time that we had so many

931
00:46:56,809 --> 00:46:55,569
stories that you know document that

932
00:46:59,729 --> 00:46:56,819
these types of things or at least

933
00:47:01,949 --> 00:46:59,739
eyewitnesses accounts that you just have

934
00:47:03,029 --> 00:47:01,959
to kind of after the when you finish the

935
00:47:04,859 --> 00:47:03,039
book you give a shake your head and say

936
00:47:06,690 --> 00:47:04,869
well they all can't be mistakes or

937
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:06,700
hoaxes or anything something must be

938
00:47:12,269 --> 00:47:10,209
going on you know so but no but like I

939
00:47:13,949 --> 00:47:12,279
say very few can count on one hand how

940
00:47:18,299 --> 00:47:13,959
many times that UFOs actually showed

941
00:47:21,390 --> 00:47:18,309
some kind of hostile intent well

942
00:47:24,329 --> 00:47:21,400
unfortunately and this isn't any hostile

943
00:47:27,449 --> 00:47:24,339
attempt to him but we are going to have

944
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:27,459
to go to our top of the hour break in

945
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:31,569
just a few seconds here so when when we

946
00:47:36,539 --> 00:47:33,849
come back we will continue this

947
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:36,549
fascinating conversation with Bruce

948
00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:40,690
Gernon and Mack Maloney and we'll find

949
00:47:50,189 --> 00:47:44,140
out more about the mysteries of the

950
00:47:51,979 --> 00:47:50,199
Bermuda Triangle UFOs and other weird

951
00:47:54,959 --> 00:47:51,989
things in our haunted universe so

952
00:47:57,209 --> 00:47:54,969
actually that and I promise not to get

953
00:48:09,450 --> 00:47:57,219
lost in the meantime oh that would be

954
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:13,740
explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

955
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:16,560
riders of the world of the paranoid

956
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:19,710
strap yourself in as we traverse the

957
00:48:27,130 --> 00:48:22,730
universe exploring the unexplained UFO

958
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,140
of ghosts Lost Worlds

959
00:48:33,350 --> 00:48:29,520
cryptozoology waters as well as other

960
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:33,360
dimensions it's time to take back the

961
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:37,770
night last night now your electrifying

962
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:41,010
hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

963
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:46,710
Beckley and Tim Schwartz alright welcome

964
00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:48,570
back to exploring the bizarre here we

965
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:50,280
are in the second segment and our guest

966
00:48:59,210 --> 00:48:53,520
tonight we have Bruce Gernon and Matt

967
00:49:03,770 --> 00:48:59,220
Maloney and so Mack I mean what what's

968
00:49:07,010 --> 00:49:03,780
your impression with a Bruce's story and

969
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:07,020
the whole you know Bermuda Triangle and

970
00:49:13,220 --> 00:49:11,010
you know and really other you know devil

971
00:49:16,030 --> 00:49:13,230
spots around the planets where it seems

972
00:49:19,070 --> 00:49:16,040
like you know especially a aircraft

973
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:19,080
seemed to have a difficult time

974
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:22,290
occasionally well you know what's

975
00:49:29,090 --> 00:49:25,800
interesting about about Bruce's story is

976
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,100
that he mentioned the island of Andros

977
00:49:35,780 --> 00:49:32,160
it is the largest island in the in the

978
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:35,790
Bahamas but there is a Navy base there

979
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:38,220
that a lot of people refer to as the

980
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:41,310
name is area 51 it's called Autec and

981
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:46,410
it's it's right it's right across from

982
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:48,690
the Florida coast is a deep trench in

983
00:49:53,210 --> 00:49:51,570
between and because the Gulf Stream has

984
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:53,220
been going through there for millions of

985
00:50:01,610 --> 00:49:57,210
years so they do bring us maybe nuclear

986
00:50:03,140 --> 00:50:01,620
subs there to test things that they can

987
00:50:04,940 --> 00:50:03,150
you know in this kind of in this trench

988
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:04,950
they can test different electronics see

989
00:50:10,310 --> 00:50:06,450
if the stuff works and so on and so

990
00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:10,320
forth but they also have billions of

991
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:12,120
dollars worth of sonar equipment there

992
00:50:19,610 --> 00:50:16,410
and radar and in everything else and in

993
00:50:22,340 --> 00:50:19,620
on top of that all as is you've probably

994
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:22,350
heard before there are many many UFO

995
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:23,850
what's down in that part of the world

996
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:27,660
and many many us all reports on

997
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:30,090
identified summer jobs and people see

998
00:50:32,060 --> 00:50:30,810
this stuff

999
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,070
putting down there all the time so we

1000
00:50:37,310 --> 00:50:34,800
asked a question in the book is the Navy

1001
00:50:40,220 --> 00:50:37,320
yells denies that they have anything

1002
00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:40,230
down there that's you know not let's say

1003
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:43,560
of public record yet people see this

1004
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:45,060
stuff all the time so you have to ask

1005
00:50:48,020 --> 00:50:46,440
the question well you get billions of

1006
00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:48,030
dollars of sensor equipment down their

1007
00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:50,430
radar Sona and y'all said yeah you're

1008
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:51,720
saying you're not seeing any of this

1009
00:50:56,540 --> 00:50:54,570
stuff yet people civilians are seeing it

1010
00:50:58,310 --> 00:50:56,550
all the time so either your stuff

1011
00:51:00,860 --> 00:50:58,320
doesn't work or you know you're

1012
00:51:02,330 --> 00:51:00,870
misleading us but anyway that's right in

1013
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:02,340
the middle of the Bermuda Triangle I

1014
00:51:07,070 --> 00:51:04,530
mean it sounds strange but the US Navy

1015
00:51:08,690 --> 00:51:07,080
has their own area 51 in the middle and

1016
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:08,700
they built it in the middle of you know

1017
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:14,640
triangle hmm yeah Mac I would say Andros

1018
00:51:20,810 --> 00:51:17,760
is really the heart of the Bermuda

1019
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:20,820
Triangle in itself and all around it

1020
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:23,400
right there's a lot of strange stuff

1021
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:25,380
that goes on right on the island itself

1022
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:27,690
there's yeah a lot of myths about they

1023
00:51:33,740 --> 00:51:31,290
have these holes you know in in on the

1024
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:33,750
island and they kind of deep right yeah

1025
00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:35,610
and they say you know people see strange

1026
00:51:39,950 --> 00:51:37,950
things coming you know going in matter

1027
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:39,960
these things all the time there's like I

1028
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:43,770
said having to do with the place and you

1029
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:46,050
know just in the middle of all this you

1030
00:51:52,070 --> 00:51:48,450
know you have this top-secret Navy base

1031
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:52,080
right I meant one of the executives

1032
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:54,180
there once and he told me a story he had

1033
00:52:02,180 --> 00:51:57,480
been we were at a bar so I think he had

1034
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:02,190
a few too many but telling it and he was

1035
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:06,770
actually wearing a nice shirt that had

1036
00:52:14,180 --> 00:52:11,640
the words and Autec on it so he was one

1037
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,190
of their commanders apparently he told

1038
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:17,280
me he was on this in the time of the

1039
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:19,170
ocean that you just mentioned that goes

1040
00:52:25,790 --> 00:52:22,770
down 6,000 feet and it's it this tongue

1041
00:52:30,110 --> 00:52:25,800
is about 100 miles long and 30 miles

1042
00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:30,120
wide and he was on the south end in

1043
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:34,260
their submarine and they had this

1044
00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:36,210
strange experience all their electronics

1045
00:52:41,650 --> 00:52:38,700
went out it sounds like

1046
00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:41,660
Levi's chronic fog underwater but anyway

1047
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:43,660
compasses were spinning

1048
00:52:50,010 --> 00:52:46,960
nothing was working and this lasted for

1049
00:52:53,279 --> 00:52:50,020
like three minutes and that's how long I

1050
00:52:55,950 --> 00:52:53,289
was in that flock dude and and then it

1051
00:52:58,410 --> 00:52:55,960
out cleared up immediately just like it

1052
00:53:01,079 --> 00:52:58,420
did for me too when the fog dissipated

1053
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:01,089
it electronically dissipated and only

1054
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:05,680
took about ten seconds so then all their

1055
00:53:09,630 --> 00:53:07,450
instruments start working again and so

1056
00:53:13,859 --> 00:53:09,640
they check their position and they had

1057
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:13,869
travelled a hundred miles north to the

1058
00:53:20,130 --> 00:53:15,849
northern end of the tongue of the ocean

1059
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,140
in three minutes well you know another

1060
00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:22,559
thing people see down in that area is

1061
00:53:28,289 --> 00:53:25,150
you're talking about us O's what they

1062
00:53:31,319 --> 00:53:28,299
what they see is objects underwater

1063
00:53:34,140 --> 00:53:31,329
moving faster than they should be able

1064
00:53:36,839 --> 00:53:34,150
to you know physics wise let's say much

1065
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:36,849
faster than torpedoes they look a lot

1066
00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:38,650
larger you know we have stories about

1067
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:40,990
how people have been on Navy ships down

1068
00:53:43,890 --> 00:53:42,130
there and these things have gone like

1069
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:43,900
right underneath the ship and and and

1070
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,730
leaving like a fluorescent wake and

1071
00:53:51,660 --> 00:53:50,079
people lots of people see them no one

1072
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:51,670
ever wants to really you know get into

1073
00:53:55,319 --> 00:53:54,130
what they might be they could be at they

1074
00:53:57,779 --> 00:53:55,329
could be on top you know

1075
00:53:59,970 --> 00:53:57,789
secret weapons I mean it is the Navy's

1076
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:59,980
area 51 so yeah I guess we could expect

1077
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,079
it to be a lot of secret weapons you

1078
00:54:07,260 --> 00:54:04,480
know down there and maybe we have us

1079
00:54:08,609 --> 00:54:07,270
over those but lots of people see them

1080
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:08,619
what's a civilian see them they've been

1081
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:10,450
seeing them for years in this area and

1082
00:54:16,380 --> 00:54:13,119
yet the Navy just you know says that we

1083
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:16,390
don't see anything well yeah a lot of

1084
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:17,650
these stories that you were just you

1085
00:54:21,660 --> 00:54:19,150
know that you just talked about with

1086
00:54:23,849 --> 00:54:21,670
some of these very fast-moving you owe

1087
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:23,859
us owes right underneath the surface I

1088
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,089
mean there's been reports for years I

1089
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:30,640
mean long before supposedly we you know

1090
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,250
we had any kind of technology if it

1091
00:54:38,339 --> 00:54:35,680
would be you know some kind of you know

1092
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:38,349
manmade top-secret technology

1093
00:54:44,420 --> 00:54:39,910
I mean you know you had people in

1094
00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:44,430
sailing ships who were reporting unusual

1095
00:54:52,260 --> 00:54:49,150
lights going very fast under the surface

1096
00:54:54,170 --> 00:54:52,270
so you know it's you know now you you

1097
00:54:56,790 --> 00:54:54,180
know some of them could be man-made

1098
00:54:57,870 --> 00:54:56,800
top-secret house but

1099
00:55:00,240 --> 00:54:57,880
you know this is something that's been

1100
00:55:02,370 --> 00:55:00,250
going on for quite a long time right and

1101
00:55:04,860 --> 00:55:02,380
in there's definitely I mean when you're

1102
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:04,870
talking about airplanes and aircraft and

1103
00:55:10,170 --> 00:55:07,810
rocket powered craft is you know there's

1104
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:10,180
some limit is how fast these things can

1105
00:55:14,610 --> 00:55:12,970
go in the air but you know it's it's way

1106
00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:14,620
up there I mean the the Space Shuttle

1107
00:55:19,230 --> 00:55:17,110
had to be going 18,000 miles an hour to

1108
00:55:21,810 --> 00:55:19,240
get into orbit but when you're in that

1109
00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:21,820
when you're in the ocean you know you

1110
00:55:25,530 --> 00:55:23,590
have a lot of factors you know working

1111
00:55:28,110 --> 00:55:25,540
against you if you want to go very fast

1112
00:55:30,450 --> 00:55:28,120
underwater you have the water you know

1113
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:30,460
you have the pressure and so on and so

1114
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:33,490
forth so to see something traveling very

1115
00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:36,640
quickly under the water anywhere is just

1116
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:42,550
very unusual and strange Bruce talking

1117
00:55:48,330 --> 00:55:45,610
about your experience with the

1118
00:55:50,940 --> 00:55:48,340
electronic fog it's just and I wish I

1119
00:55:55,370 --> 00:55:50,950
could remember now who had this

1120
00:55:57,720 --> 00:55:55,380
experience but I remember reading a

1121
00:56:01,440 --> 00:55:57,730
similar experience that somebody had

1122
00:56:04,890 --> 00:56:01,450
except that they were on a boat and they

1123
00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:04,900
suddenly found themselves it seemed like

1124
00:56:15,420 --> 00:56:09,400
that they were in a valley in the ocean

1125
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:15,430
where the the the waves or water or

1126
00:56:19,890 --> 00:56:17,650
whatever you had suddenly was towering

1127
00:56:25,890 --> 00:56:19,900
above them and they were almost going

1128
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:25,900
through like a an open-topped tunnel in

1129
00:56:31,950 --> 00:56:29,670
the water and very similar you know

1130
00:56:35,820 --> 00:56:31,960
experience where they were experiencing

1131
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:35,830
some bad weather and a heavy fog and

1132
00:56:39,660 --> 00:56:38,170
then the next thing to know they were it

1133
00:56:41,970 --> 00:56:39,670
they seemed like almost that they were

1134
00:56:43,830 --> 00:56:41,980
on the on the bottom of the ocean or

1135
00:56:47,130 --> 00:56:43,840
have you have you heard that story

1136
00:56:50,310 --> 00:56:47,140
before well I can't remember that

1137
00:56:53,070 --> 00:56:50,320
particular one but I had two friends who

1138
00:56:57,180 --> 00:56:53,080
I lived in the keys for 15 in 20 years

1139
00:56:59,370 --> 00:56:57,190
and they had experiences that are

1140
00:57:01,920 --> 00:56:59,380
similar to the ones you talking about

1141
00:57:04,650 --> 00:57:01,930
one one was like like he just said it

1142
00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:04,660
they were in a sort of a a channel

1143
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:10,060
mm-hmm with the ocean water was like ten

1144
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:12,310
12 feet higher than the boat was on

1145
00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:15,280
either side of them and went out for a

1146
00:57:18,780 --> 00:57:17,230
long ways and then they finally got out

1147
00:57:20,460 --> 00:57:18,790
of it they're just kidding real scare

1148
00:57:22,980 --> 00:57:20,470
even and then they another one was

1149
00:57:26,780 --> 00:57:22,990
crossing the Gulf Stream to Bimini and

1150
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:26,790
they and they sucked down into like a

1151
00:57:34,290 --> 00:57:32,530
large area where they were 25 feet lower

1152
00:57:38,310 --> 00:57:34,300
than there's a sea level

1153
00:57:40,260 --> 00:57:38,320
hmm around and they were really really

1154
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,270
nervous and then minute I guess it

1155
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:42,480
leveled off after a while

1156
00:57:49,730 --> 00:57:45,010
yeah with the the rogue waves have been

1157
00:57:53,010 --> 00:57:49,740
proven to be a large reason why ships

1158
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:53,020
boats and disappear and they've been

1159
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:54,850
blamed on the Bermuda Triangle

1160
00:57:59,790 --> 00:57:57,730
yeah but you know this this phenomena

1161
00:58:02,160 --> 00:57:59,800
seems to be more than just just rogue

1162
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:02,170
waves you know and which you know makes

1163
00:58:09,630 --> 00:58:05,680
me wonder you know our is just something

1164
00:58:13,110 --> 00:58:09,640
that that they are actually seen or is

1165
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:13,120
it like an optical illusion caused by

1166
00:58:19,170 --> 00:58:15,490
whatever you know this this bizarre

1167
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,180
phenomena is yeah things like that can

1168
00:58:25,950 --> 00:58:21,520
create an optical illusion because

1169
00:58:29,310 --> 00:58:25,960
that's the human mind it's it's like the

1170
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:29,320
electronic fog attaches to the aircraft

1171
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:34,480
and flies along with you so you pilots

1172
00:58:39,780 --> 00:58:37,810
that have experienced that don't realize

1173
00:58:44,310 --> 00:58:39,790
that I mean that's the first one to

1174
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:44,320
realize that it was attached to me both

1175
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:46,510
times that I experienced that electronic

1176
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:50,410
clock and but most pilots still even

1177
00:58:55,470 --> 00:58:53,920
today they they don't realize that and

1178
00:58:59,040 --> 00:58:55,480
there's been pockets that have been in

1179
00:59:02,940 --> 00:58:59,050
it that you know there see illusion

1180
00:59:04,290 --> 00:59:02,950
because they don't realize it changes

1181
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:04,300
your thinking you think you're flying

1182
00:59:10,590 --> 00:59:08,130
through fog but you're not fine with it

1183
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:10,600
there's a famous writer named Martin

1184
00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:14,110
Caidin that I wrote that 200 books or so

1185
00:59:19,410 --> 00:59:16,030
hate the violin

1186
00:59:22,620 --> 00:59:19,420
oh yes I had you know respondents with

1187
00:59:25,289 --> 00:59:22,630
him yeah yeah well he helped me a lot in

1188
00:59:27,870 --> 00:59:25,299
my research

1189
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:27,880
figure out how this fog works

1190
00:59:33,989 --> 00:59:29,650
he wrote about it on three different

1191
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:33,999
occasions in some of his books and one

1192
00:59:39,209 --> 00:59:37,119
time that he was in it there was like a

1193
00:59:41,789 --> 00:59:39,219
hole in the cloud a perfectly round hole

1194
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:41,799
above and below well the second time I

1195
00:59:46,469 --> 00:59:43,569
was in and over every days there was a

1196
00:59:49,019 --> 00:59:46,479
perfectly round hole right below the our

1197
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:49,029
aircraft and it was really strange

1198
00:59:52,349 --> 00:59:50,529
because it was traveling with us and I

1199
00:59:55,939 --> 00:59:52,359
just thought I was seeing some strange

1200
00:59:59,609 --> 00:59:55,949
phenomenon me it took me took my theory

1201
01:00:01,949 --> 00:59:59,619
which I created like about four years

1202
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:01,959
after that to realize that okay it was

1203
01:00:06,539 --> 01:00:03,910
traveling with me but but Martin Caidin

1204
01:00:11,189 --> 01:00:06,549
he said in one of his books he said he

1205
01:00:13,650 --> 01:00:11,199
felt like he was flying inside a milk

1206
01:00:16,979 --> 01:00:13,660
bottle hmm I see

1207
01:00:19,019 --> 01:00:16,989
so he he didn't realize that the milk

1208
01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:19,029
bottle was attached to him but see that

1209
01:00:23,099 --> 01:00:21,430
almost spells it out for you the milk

1210
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:23,109
bottle he was flying inside the milk

1211
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:25,690
bottle and you know it bottles flying

1212
01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:29,890
right along with him alright so how how

1213
01:00:35,969 --> 01:00:33,249
does this phenomena attach itself like

1214
01:00:39,390 --> 01:00:35,979
you said to to an aircraft I mean is it

1215
01:00:42,479 --> 01:00:39,400
like like electricity is attracted you

1216
01:00:45,689 --> 01:00:42,489
know to metal but you know anymore and

1217
01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:45,699
not every airplane is made entirely of

1218
01:00:53,870 --> 01:00:48,809
metal well I've worked with several

1219
01:00:57,299 --> 01:00:53,880
scientists on this the latest one is

1220
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:57,309
Professor David Paris from the

1221
01:01:03,479 --> 01:00:59,920
University of Nebraska he's a physicist

1222
01:01:05,819 --> 01:01:03,489
and a meteorologist both and there's a

1223
01:01:09,479 --> 01:01:05,829
chapter about his research in my book

1224
01:01:12,749 --> 01:01:09,489
but he says that it's ionized energy in

1225
01:01:17,189 --> 01:01:12,759
the clouds embedded in a dipole field

1226
01:01:21,539 --> 01:01:17,199
the forms of cocoon around the airplanes

1227
01:01:24,779 --> 01:01:21,549
or the bows and he's got it all figured

1228
01:01:30,380 --> 01:01:24,789
out calculate it while that how it works

1229
01:01:32,290 --> 01:01:30,390
and how can create a linear displacement

1230
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:32,300
[Music]

1231
01:01:38,380 --> 01:01:34,850
the vessel became the boat can do it to

1232
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:38,390
you they could not travel through the

1233
01:01:42,490 --> 01:01:40,690
time I called but most people don't like

1234
01:01:43,810 --> 01:01:42,500
scientists would never save travel

1235
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:43,820
through time although they're slowly

1236
01:01:51,130 --> 01:01:49,250
starting to change their thinking which

1237
01:01:54,070 --> 01:01:51,140
that's yeah that's that's my next

1238
01:01:59,160 --> 01:01:54,080
question I mean how could a you know a

1239
01:02:03,040 --> 01:01:59,170
natural phenomenon like this displace

1240
01:02:06,370 --> 01:02:03,050
ship a plane people in time and space

1241
01:02:09,130 --> 01:02:06,380
yeah he calls it a natural warping of

1242
01:02:12,310 --> 01:02:09,140
the fabric of space and an external

1243
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:12,320
ionized confinement field in other words

1244
01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:16,510
electronic fog once around the aircraft

1245
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:21,710
creating a linear displacement well I

1246
01:02:32,370 --> 01:02:26,290
mean if if that is the case then that

1247
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:32,380
really would throw physics you know a

1248
01:02:46,030 --> 01:02:40,880
physicist into a tizzy starting to help

1249
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:46,040
explain it well and it also I mean it

1250
01:02:54,580 --> 01:02:51,680
then leads us to questions about you

1251
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:54,590
know you know our reality and you know

1252
01:03:01,480 --> 01:02:57,680
cosmology and all of that and you know

1253
01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:01,490
how how time is you know supposed to

1254
01:03:11,770 --> 01:03:07,910
work to to be able to either you know go

1255
01:03:15,970 --> 01:03:11,780
you know into you know slightly you know

1256
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:15,980
here to the future or into the past you

1257
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:17,930
know have you come across studies

1258
01:03:24,970 --> 01:03:22,370
stories of people who have you know gone

1259
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:24,980
a lot further than say just you know

1260
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:27,170
like a few minutes or you know a day or

1261
01:03:37,930 --> 01:03:33,280
something like that yeah there's a

1262
01:03:40,660 --> 01:03:37,940
famous engineer for Boeing name last

1263
01:03:43,180 --> 01:03:40,670
name is Souter John John Souter David

1264
01:03:51,019 --> 01:03:49,130
he he created the Boeing 747 he was the

1265
01:03:55,279 --> 01:03:51,029
chief engineer over a thousand engineers

1266
01:03:57,410 --> 01:03:55,289
and I met him once in in the Bahamas a

1267
01:04:00,109 --> 01:03:57,420
Long Island a remote place where he had

1268
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:00,119
a nice mansion with we were at a party

1269
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:03,839
there at a local hotel and so I told him

1270
01:04:10,749 --> 01:04:08,579
my story my research this was like 20

1271
01:04:13,849 --> 01:04:10,759
years ago understand 30 years in there

1272
01:04:19,150 --> 01:04:13,859
so then so he told me his story he was

1273
01:04:27,170 --> 01:04:19,160
flying the 747 from Boeing Field

1274
01:04:32,779 --> 01:04:27,180
California and direct to China and when

1275
01:04:38,569 --> 01:04:32,789
they land landed in China somehow he

1276
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:38,579
went backwards in time a whole day but

1277
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:41,849
as far as he did he didn't run into any

1278
01:04:49,370 --> 01:04:44,970
bizarre weather or anything like that no

1279
01:04:51,859 --> 01:04:49,380
he didn't mention much about whether he

1280
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:51,869
may have been in the fog though you know

1281
01:04:58,279 --> 01:04:53,839
at night didn't even see it

1282
01:05:00,559 --> 01:04:58,289
hmm well Mac what about what about you I

1283
01:05:02,930 --> 01:05:00,569
mean you know in the all the files that

1284
01:05:05,479 --> 01:05:02,940
you've collected I mean have have you

1285
01:05:09,579 --> 01:05:05,489
read across you know any stories only I

1286
01:05:14,690 --> 01:05:09,589
know you gave the one earlier about the

1287
01:05:16,970 --> 01:05:14,700
pre-world War two pilots but you know

1288
01:05:20,749 --> 01:05:16,980
anything else that that you may have run

1289
01:05:24,499 --> 01:05:20,759
across it's a similar in nature well

1290
01:05:25,849 --> 01:05:24,509
there's um we don't have to say the

1291
01:05:28,190 --> 01:05:25,859
truth now that I think that we don't

1292
01:05:30,769 --> 01:05:28,200
have a whole lot of time-travel stories

1293
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:30,779
and the stories that we collected in the

1294
01:05:44,660 --> 01:05:36,210
book I'm not sure why but I guess my

1295
01:05:49,069 --> 01:05:44,670
answer would be no American and that one

1296
01:05:51,069 --> 01:05:49,079
for you 10 Beckley - I begged you to

1297
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:51,079
explain something to me

1298
01:05:59,720 --> 01:05:54,690
all knowledgeable Timothy oh yes yeah

1299
01:06:02,540 --> 01:05:59,730
like that I have seen a lot of flying

1300
01:06:04,910 --> 01:06:02,550
saucers or UFOs and I've even had some

1301
01:06:08,780 --> 01:06:04,920
real close encounters within a few yards

1302
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:08,790
but I just had in the last encounter I

1303
01:06:13,220 --> 01:06:11,130
had was just over a year ago and it's

1304
01:06:17,300 --> 01:06:13,230
like the first one I've ever really seen

1305
01:06:20,210 --> 01:06:17,310
in the daytime and maybe Mac answer this

1306
01:06:22,940 --> 01:06:20,220
one for me it was it was shaped like a

1307
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:22,950
boomerang it was flying low over the

1308
01:06:27,710 --> 01:06:26,310
Everglades and it was only a couple

1309
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:27,720
thousand feet high and I thought maybe

1310
01:06:33,890 --> 01:06:31,890
it was a big jumbo jet on final for

1311
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:33,900
Miami International but I kept looking

1312
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:37,770
on this shiny real shiny silver didn't

1313
01:06:48,020 --> 01:06:43,200
appear to have any windows and have you

1314
01:06:51,650 --> 01:06:48,030
ever seen what the UFOs looked like

1315
01:06:59,450 --> 01:06:51,660
where that famous sighting of a long

1316
01:07:02,690 --> 01:06:59,460
time ago what was his name that spotted

1317
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:02,700
the first he coined the term Oh will you

1318
01:07:07,030 --> 01:07:04,650
be Kenneth Arnold uh yeah Kenneth oh

1319
01:07:09,950 --> 01:07:07,040
yeah yeah we've had we've had his

1320
01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:09,960
granddaughter on the show two or three

1321
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:12,030
times so he I don't know if he drew it

1322
01:07:18,910 --> 01:07:15,330
but someone drew it and he was he huh as

1323
01:07:21,770 --> 01:07:18,920
the famous picture is holding the

1324
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:21,780
crescent shaped crescent shape they were

1325
01:07:28,940 --> 01:07:24,410
actually shaped a lot like a Nazi

1326
01:07:31,940 --> 01:07:28,950
superweapon called the Horton where the

1327
01:07:33,470 --> 01:07:31,950
Nazi scientists you know when a quest to

1328
01:07:36,140 --> 01:07:33,480
try to get one of the weapons to win the

1329
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:36,150
war and designed basically what it was

1330
01:07:41,090 --> 01:07:37,680
was a small flying wing

1331
01:07:44,660 --> 01:07:41,100
and it wasn't very successful but when

1332
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:44,670
you see the drawings of Kenneth Donald's

1333
01:07:48,770 --> 01:07:46,410
you know sighting he was the first one

1334
01:07:51,170 --> 01:07:48,780
to claim the term flying saucer because

1335
01:07:52,850 --> 01:07:51,180
the media said the media said he said

1336
01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:52,860
they look like saucers skipping across a

1337
01:07:58,370 --> 01:07:55,920
lake yeah yeah that became flying

1338
01:08:01,420 --> 01:07:58,380
saucers but they they look and he saw

1339
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:01,430
them go flying in formation and so on

1340
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:06,210
formation too so so you know shiny and

1341
01:08:11,030 --> 01:08:07,440
it was

1342
01:08:15,020 --> 01:08:11,040
super-streamlined and all of a sudden it

1343
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:15,030
makes a really sharp u-turn a climbing

1344
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,719
u-turn and a 180 and it heads straight

1345
01:08:24,410 --> 01:08:20,640
back to the Everglades and there was a

1346
01:08:26,269 --> 01:08:24,420
really large isolated thunderstorm over

1347
01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:26,279
the Everglades and it just aims right

1348
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:28,859
into the heart of the thunderstorm right

1349
01:08:33,410 --> 01:08:30,960
into the 10,000 foot level and then

1350
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:33,420
disappeared so I was wondering I can't

1351
01:08:41,660 --> 01:08:37,370
decide what was that like an alien

1352
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:41,670
vessel or a remote secret nestled that

1353
01:08:47,630 --> 01:08:44,850
we have here there's a lot of there's a

1354
01:08:49,340 --> 01:08:47,640
lot of military drones that you know we

1355
01:08:52,340 --> 01:08:49,350
don't know what they look like they've

1356
01:08:53,809 --> 01:08:52,350
the military has been flying drones but

1357
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:53,819
many many years they had many drones

1358
01:09:00,920 --> 01:08:57,120
over Vietnam it would be big the

1359
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:00,930
wingspan handed well you know people

1360
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:02,730
have seen that shape you don't want no I

1361
01:09:08,749 --> 01:09:04,560
mean the Hudson Valley sightings in the

1362
01:09:11,959 --> 01:09:08,759
yeah we have a fella we've have a fella

1363
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:11,969
what templates is there Richard Surratt

1364
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:18,330
yeah yeah program and he's made a pretty

1365
01:09:26,209 --> 01:09:22,650
detailed study of these boomerang and

1366
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,219
crescent shaped UFOs and I guess what is

1367
01:09:31,070 --> 01:09:28,560
his conclusion some of them could be

1368
01:09:34,249 --> 01:09:31,080
made here and some of them could be made

1369
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:34,259
there mmm so I don't know how you

1370
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:38,310
well now the the I think wasn't the even

1371
01:09:42,380 --> 01:09:40,170
the Phoenix lights the original one I

1372
01:09:44,329 --> 01:09:42,390
mean not the yes the so-called flares

1373
01:09:45,769 --> 01:09:44,339
but the one that went over the highway

1374
01:09:49,700 --> 01:09:45,779
and traveled what two or three hundred

1375
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:49,710
you know miles and covered a huge span

1376
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:54,690
of the sky and was totally silent I mean

1377
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:56,610
how do you know you talk about having

1378
01:10:01,310 --> 01:09:58,620
advanced craft but how do you get

1379
01:10:03,290 --> 01:10:01,320
something that's that advanced all right

1380
01:10:04,970 --> 01:10:03,300
and then Tim I want to ask Tim when

1381
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:04,980
could we have something in common the

1382
01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:09,600
first UFO that I witnessed I was 10

1383
01:10:15,709 --> 01:10:13,800
years old oh yeah so you want to tell me

1384
01:10:20,110 --> 01:10:15,719
what you witnessed at 10 years old well

1385
01:10:21,530 --> 01:10:20,120
well it would it was too brightly lit

1386
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:21,540
objects I

1387
01:10:25,670 --> 01:10:22,800
it's eight lights I can't really say

1388
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:25,680
objects doesn't see any portholes or the

1389
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:27,090
landing gear or anything like that but

1390
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:29,490
they circled in the sky for oh maybe

1391
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:32,010
about 20 minutes or a half an hour one

1392
01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:33,810
was over an abandoned the factory

1393
01:10:38,570 --> 01:10:35,340
building across the street from where we

1394
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:38,580
were living and one was hovering pretty

1395
01:10:43,340 --> 01:10:41,010
much right over to the house where we

1396
01:10:45,890 --> 01:10:43,350
were seated on the front porch and the

1397
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:45,900
next day or the day after that there was

1398
01:10:50,030 --> 01:10:47,370
the little item in the newspaper and

1399
01:10:52,490 --> 01:10:50,040
that the authorities they said that you

1400
01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:52,500
know they had tried to investigate it

1401
01:10:57,740 --> 01:10:54,840
and it was nothing more unconventional

1402
01:11:00,110 --> 01:10:57,750
than a weather balloon but this was it

1403
01:11:01,430 --> 01:11:00,120
it couldn't bevery thing gets blamed on

1404
01:11:04,580 --> 01:11:01,440
a weather balloon I don't care whether

1405
01:11:06,590 --> 01:11:04,590
it's the Mogul balloon or or what

1406
01:11:08,930 --> 01:11:06,600
there's no possible way it could have

1407
01:11:11,390 --> 01:11:08,940
been a weather balloon this thing was

1408
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:11,400
not bobbing and weaving in the air

1409
01:11:18,710 --> 01:11:15,650
currents it was circling overhead now

1410
01:11:21,410 --> 01:11:18,720
Matt what's your conclusion I guess on

1411
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:21,420
we talked about UFO hostility the

1412
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:24,210
captain Thomas Mantell a case I mean

1413
01:11:28,700 --> 01:11:26,130
yeah some people think that he was

1414
01:11:31,190 --> 01:11:28,710
actually you know like just shot out of

1415
01:11:33,710 --> 01:11:31,200
the sky or blown out of the sky and all

1416
01:11:35,930 --> 01:11:33,720
right well Tim we'll have to have Mac

1417
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:35,940
answer this question when we come back

1418
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:38,490
from our bottom of the hour break so

1419
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:40,890
stay tuned for that sensor which both

1420
01:11:56,850 --> 01:11:54,270
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1421
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:56,860
two of the most electrifying researchers

1422
01:12:05,310 --> 01:12:00,159
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becky

1423
01:12:07,770 --> 01:12:05,320
Lee panting Swift's all right welcome

1424
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:07,780
back to the final segment of exploring

1425
01:12:12,990 --> 01:12:09,610
the bizarre and typically you were

1426
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:13,000
asking Mack a question before I had to

1427
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:15,489
so rudely interrupt you for the break so

1428
01:12:20,339 --> 01:12:18,880
go for it oh I forgot what I was asking

1429
01:12:24,810 --> 01:12:20,349
yeah I think you I think you're asking

1430
01:12:28,859 --> 01:12:24,820
about the captain man tell Brian oh yeah

1431
01:12:31,950 --> 01:12:28,869
you know my age memory up yeah we you

1432
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:31,960
know the story Mack I mean it's well

1433
01:12:40,279 --> 01:12:37,210
known in the annals of UFO history what

1434
01:12:43,740 --> 01:12:40,289
was it that man tell actually chased

1435
01:12:45,779 --> 01:12:43,750
well you know no one really knows you

1436
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:45,789
know it happened in the early 50s he was

1437
01:12:51,569 --> 01:12:48,130
flying and if he was in a formation of

1438
01:12:53,339 --> 01:12:51,579
war what we used to call p-51 Mustangs

1439
01:12:56,359 --> 01:12:53,349
but now they had been designated f50

1440
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:56,369
ones and they were asked to their Roman

1441
01:13:00,359 --> 01:12:58,719
the Tennessee Kentucky area and they

1442
01:13:01,709 --> 01:13:00,369
were asked to check out what people

1443
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:01,719
thought at the time was a weather

1444
01:13:07,770 --> 01:13:04,960
balloon so but but two of the planes had

1445
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:07,780
to land because of fueled situations two

1446
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:09,730
of them Mantell and another one started

1447
01:13:15,060 --> 01:13:11,679
climbing and the second guy I believe

1448
01:13:17,759 --> 01:13:15,070
you know pulled off you know when he was

1449
01:13:20,759 --> 01:13:17,769
reaching the ceiling limit of the of the

1450
01:13:22,529 --> 01:13:20,769
p-51 Mustang but man tell just kept on

1451
01:13:24,359 --> 01:13:22,539
flying and he had a running commentary

1452
01:13:26,339 --> 01:13:24,369
you know I could see it it's large it

1453
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,349
looks silver and so on then they lost

1454
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:28,480
contact with him now they find the

1455
01:13:34,859 --> 01:13:32,170
airplane about an hour later he's he's

1456
01:13:36,569 --> 01:13:34,869
been killed and the airplane is a wreck

1457
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:36,579
but they've never found anything like

1458
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:38,800
that it had been hit by a weapon or

1459
01:13:42,029 --> 01:13:40,210
anything like that I mean the chances

1460
01:13:44,580 --> 01:13:42,039
were pretty good that you know he just

1461
01:13:47,100 --> 01:13:44,590
flew too high and didn't have the

1462
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:47,110
pressurization that Mustang would have

1463
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:50,320
and in the plane crash you know so but

1464
01:13:53,850 --> 01:13:51,760
then actually changed a lot of people's

1465
01:13:55,620 --> 01:13:53,860
minds because before that people thought

1466
01:13:56,130 --> 01:13:55,630
well hey the UFOs they're aliens are

1467
01:13:57,390 --> 01:13:56,140
gonna be friend

1468
01:13:58,980 --> 01:13:57,400
but that was like the first time like

1469
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:58,990
you know what about glass actually got

1470
01:14:02,820 --> 01:14:01,120
killed and you know so it kind of got

1471
01:14:03,900 --> 01:14:02,830
people thinking some people thinking you

1472
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:03,910
know the direction they might not be

1473
01:14:10,350 --> 01:14:07,090
that friendly well you know his I've

1474
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:10,360
heard his family of members or whoever's

1475
01:14:15,870 --> 01:14:12,850
still survives I discussed the the

1476
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:15,880
subject and they they're convinced that

1477
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:18,400
he chased something that was not of this

1478
01:14:23,730 --> 01:14:22,090
earth well there's a good well you know

1479
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:23,740
we don't know that's the thing you know

1480
01:14:28,140 --> 01:14:26,080
but but just the way he was a here's a

1481
01:14:30,150 --> 01:14:28,150
an experienced pilot he certainly

1482
01:14:32,580 --> 01:14:30,160
shouldn't have flown higher than the

1483
01:14:35,550 --> 01:14:32,590
airplane you know was built for which is

1484
01:14:37,020 --> 01:14:35,560
very unusual because pilots you know are

1485
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:37,030
the most cautious people in the world

1486
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:39,850
just by nature so that was his first

1487
01:14:44,700 --> 01:14:42,850
mistake and then you know what happened

1488
01:14:46,260 --> 01:14:44,710
after they lost radio communication with

1489
01:14:48,420 --> 01:14:46,270
them you know who knows you know he did

1490
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:48,430
say it looked metallic it was huge I

1491
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:50,410
think later on they said he was chasing

1492
01:14:56,370 --> 01:14:52,210
Venus which was you know the real kind

1493
01:14:58,230 --> 01:14:56,380
of excuse to draw back then yeah so so

1494
01:14:59,760 --> 01:14:58,240
we don't know but it but it really is as

1495
01:15:04,320 --> 01:14:59,770
you say it's kind of a milestone in the

1496
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:04,330
annals of the UFO early UFO era well you

1497
01:15:09,330 --> 01:15:06,250
know the one case that even gets more

1498
01:15:11,730 --> 01:15:09,340
attention that man tells those today was

1499
01:15:16,770 --> 01:15:11,740
the one that took a place in Australia

1500
01:15:19,770 --> 01:15:16,780
with a pilot Valencia is that his name

1501
01:15:23,490 --> 01:15:19,780
saw something strange and radioed it in

1502
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:23,500
and he was never the plane disappeared

1503
01:15:29,820 --> 01:15:27,310
and he disappeared well planes disappear

1504
01:15:31,290 --> 01:15:29,830
you know and planes crash and you know

1505
01:15:33,530 --> 01:15:31,300
planes go into the water and you're

1506
01:15:35,310 --> 01:15:33,540
never gonna find them at that point but

1507
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:35,320
just going back to what were you're

1508
01:15:38,580 --> 01:15:36,370
talking about in the previous segment

1509
01:15:41,190 --> 01:15:38,590
you know this just seems to be a lot of

1510
01:15:42,900 --> 01:15:41,200
this stuff happens around you know these

1511
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:42,910
hotspots or whatever but a lot of it

1512
01:15:47,730 --> 01:15:46,090
happens around military bases too so you

1513
01:15:49,380 --> 01:15:47,740
know you have to think well what's

1514
01:15:51,390 --> 01:15:49,390
happening here in fact when we did the

1515
01:15:53,190 --> 01:15:51,400
book Beyond area 51 when we talked about

1516
01:15:55,140 --> 01:15:53,200
secret bases around the world not area

1517
01:15:58,140 --> 01:15:55,150
51 but all the others that we could find

1518
01:16:01,080 --> 01:15:58,150
I just about all of them had a UFO

1519
01:16:03,660 --> 01:16:01,090
history to the only tone upon Nevada as

1520
01:16:06,570 --> 01:16:03,670
it turns out had very little of a UFO

1521
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:06,580
history when compared to other secret

1522
01:16:10,490 --> 01:16:08,650
bases so you you can tend to ask

1523
01:16:13,410 --> 01:16:10,500
yourself what came for

1524
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:13,420
well I wonder if Tonopah doesn't have a

1525
01:16:17,759 --> 01:16:15,610
lot of reported sightings because

1526
01:16:19,970 --> 01:16:17,769
there's not that many people around

1527
01:16:24,419 --> 01:16:19,980
there to begin with and those who are

1528
01:16:26,459 --> 01:16:24,429
they can't talk about it right but but

1529
01:16:28,589 --> 01:16:26,469
it is it in I would have thought that

1530
01:16:30,830 --> 01:16:28,599
too but it is known as like one of the

1531
01:16:33,209 --> 01:16:30,840
best places in the country to

1532
01:16:35,790 --> 01:16:33,219
astronomers amateur astronomers to go

1533
01:16:37,890 --> 01:16:35,800
and look at the sky you know so they

1534
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:37,900
actually run tours you know for that

1535
01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:39,489
purpose so you think well you get a lot

1536
01:16:42,569 --> 01:16:41,199
of people out there they're astronomers

1537
01:16:45,149 --> 01:16:42,579
they're looking up at the sky you think

1538
01:16:47,790 --> 01:16:45,159
you'd have more UFO reports from that

1539
01:16:49,979 --> 01:16:47,800
area than you do just the fact that you

1540
01:16:52,410 --> 01:16:49,989
that that that you don't have a lot of

1541
01:16:53,850 --> 01:16:52,420
them you know it's like someone's trying

1542
01:17:00,419 --> 01:16:53,860
to tell us something but I'm not sure

1543
01:17:04,589 --> 01:17:00,429
quite one well talking about UFOs and

1544
01:17:10,350 --> 01:17:04,599
and different modes of propulsion so

1545
01:17:14,750 --> 01:17:10,360
Bruce do you think that the electronic

1546
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:14,760
fog phenomena is something that is

1547
01:17:25,169 --> 01:17:21,250
currently being studied for you know you

1548
01:17:27,330 --> 01:17:25,179
know for potential use either military

1549
01:17:29,879 --> 01:17:27,340
or what have you because I mean

1550
01:17:32,580 --> 01:17:29,889
guaranteed if there's something to it

1551
01:17:34,500 --> 01:17:32,590
and you're talking about it now then

1552
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:34,510
probably the military has been looking

1553
01:17:42,350 --> 01:17:37,570
into it for the you know 20 30 years or

1554
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:42,360
more yeah well there's that famous story

1555
01:17:47,879 --> 01:17:45,010
where was it Virginia where the one of

1556
01:17:49,470 --> 01:17:47,889
their Navy vessels was transported when

1557
01:17:51,169 --> 01:17:49,480
they were experimenting with this type

1558
01:17:53,970 --> 01:17:51,179
of thing

1559
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:53,980
right the Philadelphia Experiment that's

1560
01:17:58,890 --> 01:17:56,800
right right but you know if I don't want

1561
01:18:00,839 --> 01:17:58,900
to be the bucket of cold water here but

1562
01:18:02,220 --> 01:18:00,849
you know that they actually explain the

1563
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:02,230
Philadelphia Experiment what they were

1564
01:18:06,839 --> 01:18:04,480
doing was at the time in World War two

1565
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:06,849
early World War two they they wanted to

1566
01:18:11,549 --> 01:18:08,650
have some kind of a defense against

1567
01:18:13,319 --> 01:18:11,559
German mines and what summoned and there

1568
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:13,329
were magnetic mines back then and what

1569
01:18:17,370 --> 01:18:14,800
someone found out was that if you

1570
01:18:20,939 --> 01:18:17,380
actually changed the electrical charge

1571
01:18:22,890 --> 01:18:20,949
of the of the hull of a ship it would it

1572
01:18:23,670 --> 01:18:22,900
wouldn't attract the mines it would you

1573
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:23,680
know actually

1574
01:18:28,110 --> 01:18:26,560
to go away you know it would repel them

1575
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:28,120
so that's what they're doing it's called

1576
01:18:32,370 --> 01:18:30,250
degaussing and they were actually were

1577
01:18:35,090 --> 01:18:32,380
able to change the the electrical charge

1578
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:35,100
of an entire ship and as a way of

1579
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:38,320
preventing mines from sinking it and

1580
01:18:41,580 --> 01:18:39,730
that's that story just kind of you know

1581
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:41,590
kind of life of its own and you know off

1582
01:18:45,630 --> 01:18:43,930
we went but really that's that's really

1583
01:18:47,370 --> 01:18:45,640
the story behind it once again sorry to

1584
01:18:48,930 --> 01:18:47,380
be the bucket of cold water here yeah

1585
01:18:51,420 --> 01:18:48,940
but there are scientists that are

1586
01:18:54,180 --> 01:18:51,430
studying and I've they've written to me

1587
01:18:56,700 --> 01:18:54,190
and there's one in Ukraine that's done a

1588
01:18:58,440 --> 01:18:56,710
lot of research on it he thinks he if he

1589
01:19:00,930 --> 01:18:58,450
had the funding you know he could create

1590
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:00,940
the electronic fog he thinks he's like a

1591
01:19:10,860 --> 01:19:06,400
doctor of chemistry but I wanted to tell

1592
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:10,870
you about more about UFOs and my

1593
01:19:18,570 --> 01:19:15,850
theories please do the there's a chapter

1594
01:19:23,390 --> 01:19:18,580
by about Joe mcmoneagle you guys know

1595
01:19:28,110 --> 01:19:23,400
him he's a well-known remote viewer

1596
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:28,120
he's written like four books his good

1597
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:30,490
friends would rob my co-author Rob

1598
01:19:37,410 --> 01:19:35,770
MacGregor yeah we've got a lot of we've

1599
01:19:39,540 --> 01:19:37,420
done a lot of remote viewing we've had a

1600
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:39,550
lot of rewrote doing guests on our radio

1601
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:41,650
show so um you know we're familiar with

1602
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:45,040
it yeah so yeah so he just did a chapter

1603
01:19:49,890 --> 01:19:47,530
on my experience it's fairly interesting

1604
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:49,900
with it I was talking to him not long

1605
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:53,170
ago me and he got me thinking that he

1606
01:20:00,990 --> 01:19:58,080
claims that he can he's gone almost

1607
01:20:07,020 --> 01:20:01,000
inside but not deep inside some of these

1608
01:20:13,940 --> 01:20:07,030
UFOs with his mind and he his latest

1609
01:20:19,460 --> 01:20:13,950
thoughts are that some of these UFOs are

1610
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:19,470
alive the vessel itself it's an organism

1611
01:20:27,330 --> 01:20:22,410
and

1612
01:20:31,950 --> 01:20:27,340
the aliens have learned how to work with

1613
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:31,960
this organism and and I've seen several

1614
01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:36,400
UFOs that do remind me that they appear

1615
01:20:44,340 --> 01:20:42,310
to be not like the perfect kind I've

1616
01:20:46,740 --> 01:20:44,350
seen many of them that I almost had

1617
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:46,750
crashed into one last line once it's a

1618
01:20:52,980 --> 01:20:49,840
classic saucer shape or the dome on the

1619
01:20:54,930 --> 01:20:52,990
top it's like maybe two 300 feet wide

1620
01:20:58,620 --> 01:20:54,940
before deceit thick or something like

1621
01:21:01,560 --> 01:20:58,630
that but I've seen five I'm flying in

1622
01:21:06,990 --> 01:21:01,570
formation once - all in the Bermuda

1623
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:07,000
Triangle but anyway there's one that's

1624
01:21:12,150 --> 01:21:09,280
well known they call it the Seaguar

1625
01:21:14,940 --> 01:21:12,160
shape one and it's there's been lots of

1626
01:21:18,630 --> 01:21:14,950
photographs of it and it's like first of

1627
01:21:21,690 --> 01:21:18,640
mile long right do some that's that's

1628
01:21:23,730 --> 01:21:21,700
actually the number one reported shape

1629
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:23,740
of UFOs people think it's flying saucers

1630
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:26,800
but more people see cigar shaped objects

1631
01:21:33,450 --> 01:21:30,490
then then the saucer shaped sorry when I

1632
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:33,460
first start doing my research I picked

1633
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:34,570
up a book

1634
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:36,970
I didn't I I read all the books on UFOs

1635
01:21:41,250 --> 01:21:38,560
I didn't keep them they stayed in my

1636
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:41,260
mind so I didn't keep it that there was

1637
01:21:47,070 --> 01:21:44,080
a South American doctor that took photos

1638
01:21:49,950 --> 01:21:47,080
of close-ups of the cigar shape one and

1639
01:21:52,620 --> 01:21:49,960
it has like dimples in it almost like

1640
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:52,630
golf ball but the dimples are not

1641
01:21:59,700 --> 01:21:57,610
perfect they're different sizes slightly

1642
01:22:02,040 --> 01:21:59,710
different shapes and that's where I get

1643
01:22:03,870 --> 01:22:02,050
the feeling that that thing is a living

1644
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:03,880
organism and this is where Joe

1645
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:05,890
mcmoneagle claims that he's been inside

1646
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:07,360
but they won't let him get way inside

1647
01:22:12,210 --> 01:22:10,210
that's they seem to modify it somehow

1648
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:12,220
and worked with this living organism

1649
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:14,410
that has the capability to travel to

1650
01:22:20,730 --> 01:22:17,530
different stars and when actually

1651
01:22:23,970 --> 01:22:20,740
Kenneth Arnold oh we were talking about

1652
01:22:25,530 --> 01:22:23,980
him earlier he he believed he didn't

1653
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:25,540
believe that these were extraterrestrial

1654
01:22:29,010 --> 01:22:27,520
crafts well maybe maybe he did in the

1655
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:29,020
beginning but most people don't realize

1656
01:22:33,450 --> 01:22:31,450
that he had a tonal I think of eight or

1657
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:33,460
nine different sightings and some of

1658
01:22:38,490 --> 01:22:36,159
them he thought were a living beings

1659
01:22:40,860 --> 01:22:38,500
and others he thought others he actually

1660
01:22:44,399 --> 01:22:40,870
thought were vessels that were coming

1661
01:22:48,810 --> 01:22:44,409
from the other side to take the spirits

1662
01:22:51,390 --> 01:22:48,820
of the deceased to some other place

1663
01:22:54,030 --> 01:22:51,400
which actually is very interesting

1664
01:22:58,110 --> 01:22:54,040
because I have something that I call the

1665
01:23:02,010 --> 01:22:58,120
June 24th enigma more people have passed

1666
01:23:05,070 --> 01:23:02,020
away in ufology on the anniversary of

1667
01:23:07,379 --> 01:23:05,080
Kenneth Arnold's UFO sighting June 24th

1668
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:07,389
then on any other date I mean we're

1669
01:23:15,419 --> 01:23:10,690
talking about 10 or 15 individuals which

1670
01:23:17,790 --> 01:23:15,429
you know certainly is a large number and

1671
01:23:19,860 --> 01:23:17,800
he believed that they were ships to take

1672
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:19,870
the spirits over I don't know I did I

1673
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:22,050
just think it's a very strange

1674
01:23:27,930 --> 01:23:25,199
synchronicity in a coincidence and to me

1675
01:23:32,820 --> 01:23:27,940
synchronicities are the very important

1676
01:23:34,830 --> 01:23:32,830
part of the UFO phenomena it's it's just

1677
01:23:36,060 --> 01:23:34,840
the things that have happened to me over

1678
01:23:38,669 --> 01:23:36,070
the year

1679
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:38,679
a bizarre that's the only way I can

1680
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:40,480
describe it and I'm not talking about

1681
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:42,880
you know thinking is somebody and they

1682
01:23:46,590 --> 01:23:44,770
call on the phone two days later or

1683
01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:46,600
something like that well you know

1684
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:51,310
hardcore yeah you know talking about the

1685
01:23:56,189 --> 01:23:53,770
the idea that these that these ships are

1686
01:23:59,580 --> 01:23:56,199
some of them could be you know some kind

1687
01:24:05,280 --> 01:23:59,590
of you know living organism or you know

1688
01:24:09,419 --> 01:24:05,290
created organism I mean I have seen UFO

1689
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:09,429
films that that show objects flying

1690
01:24:13,470 --> 01:24:11,290
around in the sky and I mean and these

1691
01:24:15,570 --> 01:24:13,480
were actual films you know not doctored

1692
01:24:19,709 --> 01:24:15,580
you know videotapes like hero acrost

1693
01:24:21,540 --> 01:24:19,719
anymore that show a number of objects in

1694
01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:21,550
the sky that are flying around each

1695
01:24:26,330 --> 01:24:24,310
other and they behave like you would see

1696
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:26,340
insects flying around there you know

1697
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:28,449
zooming back and forth almost like

1698
01:24:33,629 --> 01:24:31,600
playing with each other just you just

1699
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:33,639
get the impression looking at them that

1700
01:24:41,250 --> 01:24:36,239
you're looking at something that is

1701
01:24:42,990 --> 01:24:41,260
either alive or so responsive that you

1702
01:24:44,790 --> 01:24:43,000
know for all intents and purposes it

1703
01:24:46,649 --> 01:24:44,800
could be they could be alive yeah the

1704
01:24:49,780 --> 01:24:46,659
latest video that the fighter jet

1705
01:24:51,310 --> 01:24:49,790
whatever jet fighter pilots took of the

1706
01:24:54,190 --> 01:24:51,320
object right in front of them there are

1707
01:24:56,650 --> 01:24:54,200
two Jet's if this object was it was

1708
01:24:58,600 --> 01:24:56,660
tumbling when I saw that it looked like

1709
01:25:00,340 --> 01:24:58,610
it was almost showing off or having fun

1710
01:25:03,610 --> 01:25:00,350
in front of the Jets because they

1711
01:25:06,210 --> 01:25:03,620
couldn't keep up with it you know there

1712
01:25:08,530 --> 01:25:06,220
was a one of the few studies that

1713
01:25:12,700 --> 01:25:08,540
project Bluebook tried to get off the

1714
01:25:14,620 --> 01:25:12,710
ground in the early 50s was the captain

1715
01:25:16,750 --> 01:25:14,630
repelled who was in charge of that for a

1716
01:25:19,150 --> 01:25:16,760
while there's a lot of controversy about

1717
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:19,160
how deeply he actually got into it he

1718
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:21,170
seems to have like a 50/50 track record

1719
01:25:25,420 --> 01:25:22,970
but one thing he wanted to do and he

1720
01:25:27,550 --> 01:25:25,430
brought this up was that some people

1721
01:25:29,770 --> 01:25:27,560
would see swarms of UFOs and they would

1722
01:25:33,250 --> 01:25:29,780
act just like you said like a swarm of

1723
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:33,260
bees not really in any kind of an

1724
01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:35,120
organized way they were all just kind of

1725
01:25:40,330 --> 01:25:38,110
swarming and so on and so forth and then

1726
01:25:43,060 --> 01:25:40,340
then other people would see like

1727
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:43,070
Chevron's full Chevron's of UFOs flying

1728
01:25:47,290 --> 01:25:45,290
overhead flying almost like geese would

1729
01:25:48,970 --> 01:25:47,300
and that's kind of an intelligent way of

1730
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:48,980
flying because you know they're

1731
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:50,570
following the leader so what they wanted

1732
01:25:55,330 --> 01:25:51,890
to do they wanted to do a study a

1733
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:55,340
time-motion study to see if UFOs seemed

1734
01:25:59,200 --> 01:25:57,530
to fly under you know let's say

1735
01:26:02,230 --> 01:25:59,210
intelligent control and that would be

1736
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:02,240
the goose theory or unintelligent

1737
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:03,290
control them that would be like the

1738
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:06,080
flying insects theory and it was a great

1739
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:08,330
proposal but the Pentagon refused to

1740
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:10,880
fund it so you had they done that I

1741
01:26:16,300 --> 01:26:12,320
think it would have been some

1742
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:16,310
interesting results and that UFO that's

1743
01:26:21,550 --> 01:26:19,210
the big one the cigar shape one I've

1744
01:26:23,470 --> 01:26:21,560
heard where they a lot of people have

1745
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:23,480
seen him and where they're in like a

1746
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:26,570
cloud during the Shroud shout it by a

1747
01:26:31,810 --> 01:26:29,210
cloud and so you really can't see them

1748
01:26:34,570 --> 01:26:31,820
when they're in this cloud so all right

1749
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:34,580
one of my theories as far as UFOs goes

1750
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:37,730
is that remember when I told you how I

1751
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:40,250
my first encounter was this lenticular

1752
01:26:47,620 --> 01:26:43,970
shaped cloud mm-hmm well inside of that

1753
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:47,630
men particular cloud they it could have

1754
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:51,290
been one of the Seaguar shape mother

1755
01:26:56,490 --> 01:26:54,410
ships hidden in there and then I just

1756
01:27:01,810 --> 01:26:56,500
happen to fly right over it when it was

1757
01:27:02,940 --> 01:27:01,820
getting ready to exit earth for another

1758
01:27:07,470 --> 01:27:02,950
star

1759
01:27:13,650 --> 01:27:07,480
and then I got caught up in its wake

1760
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:13,660
turbulence and part of their engine

1761
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:18,570
motive system helps to produce this

1762
01:27:24,420 --> 01:27:21,250
electronic fog it's part of their energy

1763
01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:24,430
to can't support themselves through

1764
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:28,510
space and time well that's it then so

1765
01:27:33,390 --> 01:27:32,050
you know are we talking about you know

1766
01:27:35,250 --> 01:27:33,400
when you in talk about the electronic

1767
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:35,260
fog you know talking about a natural

1768
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:38,080
phenomena or a phenomena that is

1769
01:27:46,020 --> 01:27:42,250
produced as an actor after a fact from

1770
01:27:49,260 --> 01:27:46,030
you know the propulsion of some type of

1771
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:49,270
unknown craft or or maybe both right

1772
01:27:54,450 --> 01:27:52,930
it's like it's like lightning couple of

1773
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:54,460
hundred years ago we weren't able to

1774
01:27:57,630 --> 01:27:56,170
really use the power of lightning and

1775
01:27:59,640 --> 01:27:57,640
now look what we've done with it so

1776
01:28:02,700 --> 01:27:59,650
that's like this electronic fog it has

1777
01:28:04,730 --> 01:28:02,710
the power that has something to do with

1778
01:28:07,230 --> 01:28:04,740
time mm-hmm

1779
01:28:09,390 --> 01:28:07,240
you know what I was doing research for

1780
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:09,400
this program I ran across the website

1781
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:15,370
that had tracked sunspot activity on the

1782
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:18,400
day when you had your first experience

1783
01:28:26,030 --> 01:28:22,210
you know December 1970 and I guess that

1784
01:28:29,490 --> 01:28:26,040
there was a an extremely high number of

1785
01:28:32,630 --> 01:28:29,500
sunspots going on that day where

1786
01:28:36,300 --> 01:28:32,640
Professor Paris has explored all that

1787
01:28:39,870 --> 01:28:36,310
that the sunspots part of his theories

1788
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:39,880
that and yes they were very abnormally

1789
01:28:46,260 --> 01:28:42,490
high on that day and then the weather

1790
01:28:49,050 --> 01:28:46,270
was calm - there wasn't hardly any wind

1791
01:28:51,470 --> 01:28:49,060
the winds were variable that day and

1792
01:28:56,130 --> 01:28:51,480
there were large widely scattered

1793
01:29:00,840 --> 01:28:56,140
thunderstorms you know so do you is

1794
01:29:06,020 --> 01:29:00,850
there has anybody attempted to work out

1795
01:29:08,430 --> 01:29:06,030
a theory on how this kind of activity

1796
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:08,440
could be predicted you know kind of like

1797
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:10,960
a weather reports you know don't you

1798
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:14,050
know don't fly off of you know the coast

1799
01:29:21,150 --> 01:29:16,690
of Bimini today because there's a

1800
01:29:22,770 --> 01:29:21,160
a chance of time-space continuum well

1801
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:22,780
that's that's one of our goals but

1802
01:29:30,290 --> 01:29:26,800
Professor Paris of is to invent an

1803
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:30,300
instrument or someone needs to then at

1804
01:29:37,290 --> 01:29:33,760
that world detect areas of electronic

1805
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:37,300
fog it's it's similar to like the storm

1806
01:29:48,510 --> 01:29:42,850
scope that was invented only 20 years

1807
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:48,520
ago so that can detect lightning the

1808
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:51,489
first that they created the radar that

1809
01:29:56,370 --> 01:29:54,489
was that me sixty years ago it wasn't

1810
01:29:58,500 --> 01:29:56,380
until like twenty years ago that they

1811
01:30:02,220 --> 01:29:58,510
invented an instrument that detects the

1812
01:30:05,130 --> 01:30:02,230
lightning bolts too so one of the next

1813
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:05,140
future instruments should be one that

1814
01:30:09,930 --> 01:30:07,810
can detect electronic fog because it'll

1815
01:30:12,900 --> 01:30:09,940
help save lives similar I believe the

1816
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:12,910
the Malaysian airliner encountered the

1817
01:30:20,250 --> 01:30:17,250
electronic fog there's there's a lot of

1818
01:30:24,689 --> 01:30:20,260
unexplained disappearances throughout

1819
01:30:26,970 --> 01:30:24,699
history that I know a lot of people wish

1820
01:30:28,530 --> 01:30:26,980
that they could come up with a good

1821
01:30:29,820 --> 01:30:28,540
explanation you know the Malaysian

1822
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:29,830
flight you know like you said do you

1823
01:30:35,370 --> 01:30:31,570
know that's that's a perfect example

1824
01:30:41,370 --> 01:30:35,380
that the Malaysian flight to tell you

1825
01:30:44,820 --> 01:30:41,380
just if I can throw my theory in the

1826
01:30:47,010 --> 01:30:44,830
ground they are able to take away the

1827
01:30:49,410 --> 01:30:47,020
pilots ability to steer the airplane and

1828
01:30:52,170 --> 01:30:49,420
they flew it out over the Indian Ocean

1829
01:30:54,500 --> 01:30:52,180
and they you know and they intentionally

1830
01:30:58,080 --> 01:30:54,510
let it crash and I think that was

1831
01:31:00,240 --> 01:30:58,090
somebody somewhere telling us all that

1832
01:31:01,709 --> 01:31:00,250
we can take over when you're airplanes

1833
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:01,719
anytime we want there's been some very

1834
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:04,320
unusual airplane crashes since then and

1835
01:31:09,540 --> 01:31:07,690
you know people can hack into our credit

1836
01:31:12,450 --> 01:31:09,550
cards these days they hack into well you

1837
01:31:14,340 --> 01:31:12,460
know I computers laptops watching us

1838
01:31:15,420 --> 01:31:14,350
through the cameras who said that they

1839
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:15,430
wouldn't be able to hack into the

1840
01:31:18,180 --> 01:31:17,050
controls of an airplane especially when

1841
01:31:18,900 --> 01:31:18,190
then I don't have a whole lot of

1842
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:18,910
security

1843
01:31:24,510 --> 01:31:21,010
I guess that type of thing they couldn't

1844
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:24,520
do that in 1945 when the famous flight

1845
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:27,449
19 mysteriously all five of them

1846
01:31:32,150 --> 01:31:29,250
disappeared and they never

1847
01:31:34,340 --> 01:31:32,160
found not a trace and that's another

1848
01:31:36,620 --> 01:31:34,350
thing that kind of bothers me it's like

1849
01:31:39,530 --> 01:31:36,630
we found pieces of the Malaysian airline

1850
01:31:41,900 --> 01:31:39,540
today huh they had life rafts they were

1851
01:31:45,770 --> 01:31:41,910
wearing my vest they should have found

1852
01:31:48,830 --> 01:31:45,780
those floating somewhere LeAnn there

1853
01:31:50,540 --> 01:31:48,840
there was also a rescue craft that what

1854
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:50,550
out looking for them as well that one

1855
01:31:58,340 --> 01:31:53,730
disappeared as well this is completely

1856
01:32:00,050 --> 01:31:58,350
right right 11 men a living men on a on

1857
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:00,060
a flying boat they used to call them the

1858
01:32:04,700 --> 01:32:02,490
went out to look for them and you know

1859
01:32:07,010 --> 01:32:04,710
that disappeared as well it's true all

1860
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:07,020
right guys we're getting a close to the

1861
01:32:12,980 --> 01:32:08,880
top of the hour so I want to give you a

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chance to let our audience know where

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they can find out more about you so Mack

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let's let's start with you well the name

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of the latest book is Mack Molly's

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haunted universe you can get it on

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amazon.com or at any bookstore really

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and Barnes and noble.com the publisher

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wants us to mention and in some

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bookstores if they don't have it in

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stock you can actually have it printed

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up some of them getting machines now

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that you can print up a book in two

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minutes and you have your own book so

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and a lot of people buying of course as

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ebooks anything else you know on my you

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know books previous books and radio show

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people can go to Matt Malone EECOM and

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you know check out all the information

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we have it there all right and Bruce

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what about you yeah where can they find

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your books to website yeah the books are

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at amazon.com and different bookstores

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and it's also available my new books

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available on audio oh really Wow yeah

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what was your original book published by

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Llewellyn yeah well yeah yeah are they

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your current publisher now no it's page

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books oh new page well of course yes and

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then my website is electronic fog calm

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so you can tune into that and then see

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some of the videos

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one of one of the neat beauty videos on

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there is I didn't tell the story but it

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said it took place in Indiana and it's a

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radar image but it shows these rings

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forming which seemed to be identical to

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the storm that I flew through the it

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formed it instantly it spread out almost

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instantly in about a 40 mile diameter

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and they're all like doughnut shaped

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storms at once simultaneously that's

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another story that we're running out of

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time all right well and Tim I just want

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to remind everyone that we also have the

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the trilogy of terror books oh well

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you're absolutely right three of our but

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three of our best books you know we have

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so many great books there are almost up

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that we're almost up to 300 titles just

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hovering hovering right around there but

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you know if if you want the three latest

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books we get a really good Christmas

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surprise for you if you go to the

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website conspiracy journal accom we got

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alien bloodlust UFO hostilities and

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screwed by the aliens at a very special

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price or a drop me an email Mr UFO eight

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at hotmail.com and don't forget the

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archives here at kco are you'll find all

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our shows and don't forget our YouTube

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channel

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mr. UFOs a secret files with geez I

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don't know how many guests we got five

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six seven hundred now altogether that's

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right no okay that's all that's all at

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one program yeah that's right and that's

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all she wrote for tonight there you go

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good night ladies and gentlemen and a

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people from out there and inside the

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earth even what the heck let's don't

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forget about them and in saucer bases

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you've been listening to exploring the

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Swartz they're taking back the night by

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search of the truly bizarre and totally

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unexplained with you as their combined

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